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stammering · 28-08-06 18:53:24

At first I thought I was saying something helpful. Wrong!!!! The ferocity and sarcasm of people's responses has driven me to seek professional help. This is what I have been (tersely) told. Quote - "the problem of foreign objects in the vagina relates specifically to multiple variations of the male penis and is confined to teenagers whose reproductive tract is still developing, but even that is currently debatable" End of Quote. So I admit to being dumb and naive as the colour of my hair would suggest. I would apologize for wasting everyone's time, but it's clear that everyone had time to waste, so up yours too.

Warmtouch · 28-08-06 19:43:35

If you live with a doctor who sorts out gynaecological problems (I notice you didn't specifically mention "dildo-inflicted injuries"), you're naturally going to hear about a lot of the worst cases. It doesn't reflect the situation of the general population as a whole. If you hang around the cops you'll get the impression the whole world is made up of criminals and crime victims, too.

CAUTION THIS NEXT BIT IS VERY UNPLEASANT AND MAY BE DISTURBING, SO SKIP IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ ABOUT ABUSE OF WOMEN

In some parts of the world girls are handed over in marriage as young as age nine and are legally raped by their husbands until their vaginas are punctured through into their rectums. After this happens, lacking a sphincter there, they continuously dribble shit out of their vaginas for the rest of their lives. And that can happen just with a penis.

END OF THE DISTURBING SECTION

So yeah, any violent mishandling of the vagina can produce trauma -- including with the penis which is "supposed" to go in there. That's kinda what violent mishandling means. But it's not a major risk. (If it were, the Consumer Product Safety Commission would require labels on dildos. They don't.)

stammering · 28-08-06 20:49:21

Well not too much bad stuff really, the worst of it coming from the social worker in our midst not (generally) the medical profession. But I'm repeatedly told that I keep adding one plus one and getting fiftysix as well as being very stubborn. So on that note I'm going to cling to my first line and say that it's good that not too many (if any) of the artists on this site use dildos. And yeah the Disturbing section above is very, very disturbing.

ashmedi · 28-08-06 21:26:36

I am only replying to say I won't be
replying to any more of Stammerers posts.

I don't need the aggravation

gala · 28-08-06 21:46:07

what is a mohican, and what makes me one?

The_Elfman · 28-08-06 22:32:07

jolicrasseux wrote:

it' also a wonderful story of my youth...written by James Fennimore COOPER.
http://www.mohicanpress.com/

I loved the book as a child as well. I also enjoyed the film (especialy the music).

Elfman

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Warmtouch · 28-08-06 23:39:53

The_Elfman wrote:

jolicrasseux wrote:
it' also a wonderful story of my youth...written by James Fennimore COOPER.
http://www.mohicanpress.com/
I loved the book as a child as well. I also enjoyed the film (especialy the music).

The book was fun, but (at the risk of being a spoilsport) it was about as accurate on the subject of Indians as the Noddy books are on the subject of taxi driving or (for you Aussies) as The Magic Pudding is on the subject of penguins. Enjoy it, Gala, but don't take it seriously.

The_Elfman · 28-08-06 23:57:28

Warmtouch wrote:

The book was fun, but (at the risk of being a spoilsport) it was about as accurate on the subject of Indians as the Noddy books are on the subject of taxi driving or (for you Aussies) as The Magic Pudding is on the subject of penguins.

Well obviously. But it is a bloody good yarn.

Elfman.

gala · 29-08-06 02:19:53

actually, that is me in that picture.

but i still don't like babyjuice.

stammering · 29-08-06 05:42:34

Ashmedi is not replying to any more of my posts. By the look of it he (?) is not the only one. Everyone has taken their toys and gone to a different corner of the sandpit.

Siobhan · 29-08-06 08:28:27

gala wrote:

yikes.

(Methinks it's just the language barrier rearing its unreliable head, is all. well, that and the major generational distance of more than half a century. can't you feel the love? . . . . )

Meanwhile, there IS a subtle but significant difference between generational ignorance/misunderstanding and pure unadulterated trolldom.

Stammering: I think I speak for us all in saying that we enthusiastically embrace new members of the forum. And there's LOTS of room here for speaking your mind AND for exploring ideas in a spirit of true and open-hearted curiosity. There's a lot to learn here. For ALL of us.

But IFM is a business largely by and about women. You and I are welcome here so long as we respect the others who patronize the site and the people who create it.

If you're wanting to vent some of your feelings about women who insert things other than penises into their vaginas, and you want to vent in such a way that's aggressive and frankly combative, you not only won't win any friends here, but you also will likely be ejected.

Why opt for that? Why not be one more vulnerable, growing human being here with all the rest of us and be honest about what upsets you, in a respectful way?I think you will find respect in return.

If you don't find that option attractive, there are other places to go to vent.
I hope you'll choose to stay. But no one will miss you if you get punted for continued rudeness.

stammering · 29-08-06 09:15:22

I have to say that I respect everything that is womanhood and indeed manhood too. I react to things in a way which I perceive others are reacting to me. When someone says "bullshit" to the very first thing I have ever written on these pages and the next one describes me as a "troll" then I aint sitting here and meekly swallowing it. That's not the way my life has gone but I value respect when I get it and I will always return it. If I get the opposite then we have a good old fashioned stoush on. I am a touchy reactive and sometimes over reactive person, and that's the way I am. I also have another side, but this thread hasn't really been the venue for it.

Cate · 29-08-06 14:35:54

stammering wrote:

I have to say that I respect everything that is womanhood and indeed manhood too. I react to things in a way which I perceive others are reacting to me. When someone says "bullshit" to the very first thing I have ever written on these pages and the next one describes me as a "troll" then I aint sitting here and meekly swallowing it. That's not the way my life has gone but I value respect when I get it and I will always return it. If I get the opposite then we have a good old fashioned stoush on. I am a touchy reactive and sometimes over reactive person, and that's the way I am. I also have another side, but this thread hasn't really been the venue for it.

I am sorry if you were offended by my 'bullshit'. My point was that unless you back up your claim with research I am not at all inclined to agree with you. I find people using personal emotions/responses as justification for arguments irritating and repulsive. As you continued to make your argument without adding any proof (beyond 'this guy I know') I continue to be disinclined to agree. This does not mean I don't respect you as a person simply that I disagree with you.

Also there are a few girls on the site who use dildos all I can think of is Emi but I'm sure there are more. I am also the proud and happy owner of a very pleasurable glass dildo as well as ones made of plastic and sillicone.

Please excuse all spelling mistakes and the like I am not quite sober at the moment.

stammering · 29-08-06 18:02:38

Cate I accept your point and your apology. My original statment was not meant to be personal or emotional. I have no personal or emotional views on the use of dildos, just observational ones. But the discussion became overheated very quickly so it became personal and emotional and I admit to allowing that to happen. I am also very sorry for all the bad language and abusive tones I used to everyone. Unfortunately if I am challenged aggressively I am never going to respond politely.

Siobhan · 29-08-06 18:37:57

jolicrasseux wrote:

Furthermore, I'm jealous of the toys effectiveness and success.
It's an antic phallocratic and patriarcal point of view, but I'm persuaded that it still stands in many men's minds. To admit that women can go without men has been hard to accept. It's a big part of the feminist struggle.

joli -- this is a really interesting point and i appreciate your being so honest about it.

I think i'm one of the older women here, and so i kind of stand, generationally, between most of the women contributors and most of the men members, generally speaking.

When I first came of age sexually, most men were utterly aghast at dildos and vibrators and the like, just as they were terribly and often violently (in my personal experience) threatened by lesbian interactions.

I actually think it has more to do with AIDS and feminism than anything else (and that's another topic entirely, HOW it happened), but the change in Western sexual culture of men embracing and -- let's face it -- appropriating
female-female sexual interactions has been a sea change. With it has come a lot of acceptance of, pleasure in, and embracing female sexual pleasure that is not specifically about men and their penises. I would say that it's probably the most significant change in my sexual culture (ie: generally secular, broadly middle-class, developed nations, etc) that I've experienced in my lifetime thus far.

But yes, joli, you came of age in an earlier time and I'm not surprised about the feelings you've brought to the table. (I am assuming that by "antic" you mean "antiquated," or "archaic," yes?)

The_Elfman · 29-08-06 20:36:26

Sorry Siobhan but after your intelligent, incisive and elegantly phrased contribution above I’m afraid that I am going to lower the tone again. (As an older member of this community however I too have lived through this sea change and likewise applaud it).

It is interesting (at least to me) that women obviously still use none-mechanical dildos. I would have thought that with the plethora of styles, shapes and types of electro-mechanical devices now available the old fashioned “lump of something long” as a means of sexual gratification would have died out long ago. It is obviously not just a case of grabbing whatever is handy either.

Elfman

Warmtouch · 29-08-06 20:50:23

Siobhan wrote:

But yes, joli, you came of age in an earlier time and I'm not surprised about the feelings you've brought to the table. (I am assuming that by "antic" you mean "antiquated," or "archaic," yes?)

Pronounce "antic" with a French accent and you get "antique." Joli is probably not aware that "antic" has a completely different meaning in English.

Elfman, I know for a fact that some women don't like the buzzing noise or the implications of fucking with "machinery." Tastes vary considerably. Some don't want dildos that are explicitly shaped like a penis (and it's not just women with a distaste for, or no interest in, penises who feel this way) while others do. As I think I've said here before, Good Vibrations used to sell dildos shaped like women, and like dolphins.

The_Elfman · 29-08-06 21:40:09

jolicrasseux wrote:

Don't you think it's a little early to applaud?

No I don't Joli. Call me a sentimental old optimist if you like but I am a great beleiver in "social inertia". I have seen huge changes in my societys acceptance (and embracing) of sexual freedom over the last 30 years and I think that the ball is rolling too fast to be easily stopped or diverted now.

Elfman.

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The_Elfman · 29-08-06 23:08:08

I just looked up "social inertia" on Google and discovered that it meant the exact opposite of what I intended it to mean. Interesting that "inertia" has two definitions which are entirley contrary. I think you all know what I meant by it anyway.

jolicrasseux wrote:

But what is the percentage of people implied in this evolution?

In my experience I think the majority. And I'm not just talking about the young, educated and "cool" either. The staff in the building where I work are almost exclusivley ordinary white collar working class. In the 19 years that I have worked there sexual attitudes have changed considerably. At the moment we have two openly gay men employed there and I am delighted to say that they are not only accepted and treated like everyone else but that should any sexualy bigotry raise it's ugly head towards them it is activley opposed by the majority. To me it is a huge step when ordinary men and women not only accept the differences of others but will activley embrace and defend them.

Elfman.

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msnevil · 30-08-06 06:15:39

The only risk, I see is if the glass dildo breaks. (ouch!)

Respectfully, though, As a health care provider for over 15 years. Let me tell you that most of what you state is wrong.

Granted there is rare case’s of dildo’s shoved too hard or stuck in delicate situational areas. But by an large, most ER Case’s are more to due with stuck objects then Torn cervix’s.

A true medical crisis has more to due with torn Colon’s from “sharp” unsafe objects stuffed up the anal cavity. Then torn cervix’s.

(Unrequested side note.> The number one medical crisis is “unsafe” sex leading to VD’s. Which I believe should be more stressed then Dildo’s. )

Btw- A Vagina is designed for blunt penetration, The Anal cavity on the other hand does need “TLC” at all times. There is a reason outside “hygiene” that we give birth to Babies via vaginal canal.

stammering · 30-08-06 07:47:58

Yep - since starting this theme and causing much unhappiness (including to myself) I have done some serious investigation on the matter. Your comment
msnevil on unsafe sex leading to VDs or STIs as has been propounded to me seems to be right on the button; especially where teens are concerned. My information is that STIs contracted at an early age or even early sexual activity without contracting an STI is suspected of causing a significant number of cases of cervical cancer in later life. But it has also been stressed to me that there is some disagreement on this even among specialists. The person I spoke to is a gynaecologist. I am now receding to a neutral position on this and hopeful that people will soon start speaking to me again - I am truly repentent. Thanks for your contribution.

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aven frey · 31-08-06 02:39:41

Stammering I think you've redeemed yourself!!! Welcome to the fray!!! xox

msnevil · 31-08-06 04:01:40

Stammering, It's human to disagree. How we react when we disagree. Separates us from the animals.

To be honest, I am properly the most conservative minded person here. (Next to sioban?) And as such, Have been Tar-and-feathered a bunch. Of course, I have tarred-and-feathered others as well. (Much to my embarrassment.)

Just a little advice to everybody. (including myself.) When on a internet forum. Develop some think skin.

And as to your comment on Teen age sexual issue's. I would properly be in agreement. And even go further to ask "teen's" to Use Abstinence via mutual masturbation. And if worse, Safe sex with every "protective device" known to man.

msnevil · 31-08-06 04:13:19

From my humble position, it seems everybody went overboard. And everybody is redeemed. When they put away their flame thrower's, and started acting civilized to each other.

(I just hope the weekly "I Leaving" message. Can become a thing of the past.) "unrepentent troll's excluded. May they always be cast to the lowest bowels of Moria."

rodgove · 29-09-06 22:17:28

Warmtouch wrote:

CAUTION THIS NEXT BIT IS VERY UNPLEASANT AND MAY BE DISTURBING, SO SKIP IT IF YOU DON'T WANT TO READ ABOUT ABUSE OF WOMEN
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I believe that particular injury is almost always caused by childbirth, which is obviously much more traumatic than anything that the woman could experience during sex.

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