Longest post :-)) Reading v Watching.

carstuff1000 · 03-06-11 07:31:26

What is the longest post anyone has ever submitted ? I realise that mine are often too brief ! I do enjoy reading the postings, the only problem is, it leaves me less time to watch the beautiful contributions :-))

richard · 03-06-11 13:23:19

Who cares how long a post is? You can pack a lot of insight into one sentence, if you put your mind to it.

blissed · 03-06-11 14:56:18

I wish university educators would hear that instead of asking for an essay on something in not less than a splurbage of 8,000 words. Or the notion that the value of someones wisdom is greater if they've written a book on it.

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carstuff1000 · 03-06-11 18:01:02

I agree

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Xebeche · 03-06-11 21:33:50

blissed wrote:

I wish university educators would hear that instead of asking for an essay on something in not less than a splurbage of 8,000 words. Or the notion that the value of someones wisdom is greater if they've written a book on it.
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What would be a better way to ascertain who's opinions are better? Just doin devil's advocate here, I'm not all gung-ho academia.

blissed · 03-06-11 21:57:07

The concepts are taught and understood, Judge their ideas on substance and the ability to communixate them. pics, video. Love to do an essay that way, thats succinct and fill the rest of the word count up with swimming fishes.

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Xebeche · 04-06-11 02:15:56

Meh. If my choices are between someone who has written a book on a subject versus someone who hasn't but claims expertise - I'll take the author.

blissed · 04-06-11 02:50:34

Many people have profound things to say, are activists, have blogs and even write on forums and have never written a book. Becuase what they have to say doesn't need that many words or need that format.
I could write and publish a book myself or persuade a publisher they could make money, it wouldn't mean I'm an expert. What about all those books written on intelligent design, are they experts Books compete with all the other publishing options.

In science a well received peer review paper is validation. and that coiuld be just 10 pages. I am thinking of writing a tiny book and having it self published so I can say in conversations much like this one "As I say in my book"

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carstuff1000 · 04-06-11 06:29:53

blissed, don't blush, but I love your fish, your very artistic ;-)

blissed · 04-06-11 12:41:31

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Xebeche · 04-06-11 13:56:09

Come come now, dear chap. I'm well aware that intelligent points and salient facts can exist outside the spines that bind.

I was alluding (perhaps poorly) to the position that a person who has written four books on how malnourishment affects brain size and function over the course of a life is more likely to have expertise in nutrition and brain function than a blogger.

Yes, you can find the but! but! but! cases of an exceedingly well researched and learned blogger/pamphleteer or what not who is an expert...but if I had to put money down, it would be on someone who has been published. It's a shortcut we take so we don't have to listen to everything someone has to say before we can trust they are an authority on a subject.

blissed · 04-06-11 15:38:11

Well there's knowledge that's self evident like all the ideas that keep a plane up in the air. going right out to the edge of human understanding and further out you go the more Socrates view of knowledge seems to apply in that it doesn't give us authority, because there's more we don't know than we do know. and we discover things all the time that overturn what we thought about something.

Science is based on debates about the validity of ideas, and how malnourishment affects brain size will have it's own debate amongts your author and other people who've written books on the subject as well. And nutritionists who've written research papers. I'd value all those opinions, and very often when someone is doing intrerviews to sell their book, what you think of the validity of that persons ideas usually become evident and you decide if your interested in reading it.

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aven frey · 05-06-11 03:24:10

Slightly off topic, but actually pretty relevant anyway and super interesting.

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/firsttuesday/v … 38&story=1

I may just fancy the pants off Richard Flanagan but I'm with him, we stop reading books and our brains will turn to high tech peas! I know myself that when I go through a phase of being to busy or preoccupied to read extensively my ability for deep analytical thought is somewhat diminished.

carstuff1000 · 05-06-11 03:50:37

bobby, nice link, all believable, true & as you say super interesting ;-) P.S. I fancy Kate Elsem myself ;-) [not sure if i've spelt her name right]

blissed · 05-06-11 23:40:51

Yeah Bobby thanks for the link.
I agree with Kate Elsome and to some degree Richard Flanigan in that I think ebooks do allow more creativity because you can self publish in volume unmoderated, and experiment. Harry potter proves kids will read long form books. and I will read at least 2 Shakespeare was mentioned but he wrote plays intended to be watched and probably heckled in between weeing in the corner of a theatre (or in a pot if your were rich) in a theater that never did have any toilets .

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viva · 06-06-11 01:59:29

To reference the OP and its rejoinder, length has always been a delicate balancing point in the lit world. Voracious readers want quantity, discerning readers want quality, most readers want both. Unfortunately the two things don't necessarily go hand in hand, which is why #6 in a series is never quite as good as the first one.

An equal opportunity platform for art in general sounds really awesome and all, except here's the problem : lazy writers are wont to spit up 40,000 words and self-congratulate, whereas a truly excellent work requires editing. For all its evil, the chain of publication at least required that much of authors, who are a scroungy bunch to begin with.

That's why I am afraid of spines going out of style and the floodgates of self-publishing opening like mouths at all corners of the internet - in a big stack of blogs and long forum posts elaborated into wanky novelas and eBooks published on the topic of "My Boyfriend's An Asshole But Sometimes He's Nice", it's going to be harder and harder to fill our hungry reader's brains with quality.

So at that point, even if we are still reading things with beginnings and ends and a bit of concentration in the middle, it could be as detrimental compared to reading actual books, as twitting is to writing full-length works.

What I'm saying is, the idea of unedited, unpracticed, rough drafts published haphazardly in the form of "un-moderated eBooks" horrifies me. We have private work spaces for a reason, and indeed now with blogs and whatnot, public work spaces too. You are meant to work on and develop your ideas because a book is not a diary, it is communication and you only get one shot to say it right, that's the magic, so you're damn well going to practice.

It's true that the world will change and be new and fresh and nothing can stop it. So while publishing (and damn you pompous academia especially) is a stuffy stodgy system, what it does have is a system of checks and verifications, and yes, deterrents in place to make sure you really want this. It would be really nice if we could implement something similar so that in our brave new world Vonnegut is not on the virtual shelf next to Fashion Haley.

blissed · 06-06-11 02:35:16

The publisher just gets replaced with the ecology of literary bloggers and viral social media "You must read this book" genuine recomendations. And that ecology does a very dynamic job of filtering. It works great with movies and short films and everything else, it's how I found thought of you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBk3ynRbtsw and that Chunky move exist and saw Harold and Maude online and a million other supercool things.

I think an ecology of filtering for novels would be great and when there's a habit of placing book extracts as trailers, people with amazing writing style and insight, and novels themselves will flourish. Your just gonna have to get the book to read more

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carstuff1000 · 06-06-11 19:18:52

Viva / blissed, you make perfect poster girls. Love reading your words. Blissed I like your musical link :-)

blissed · 06-06-11 20:10:26

Thanks By the accepted norms of gender I'm not totally cisgendered so you can call me a girl if you want

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carstuff1000 · 07-06-11 07:23:20

Just googled cisgender "whoops" Login names confusing ! ! ! :-)

Xebeche · 07-06-11 17:25:06

Can we just call you normal?

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carstuff1000 · 07-06-11 20:15:25

My neighbour knocked on my door at 2:30 am this morning, can you believe it ! at 2:30 am ? ! Luckily for him I was still playing my drums ;-))

blissed · 07-06-11 21:05:48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI

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