#1 09-08-10 17:01:08

dhulme

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Erotica and religious faith

A thought brought on by Rouge_Soie, and what she does outside churches - and also by the ever so gently (and amusingly) barbed commentary provided.

I daresay that many Christians would feel that her choice of location was at the very least challenging - the more narrow-minded might even think it a mite blasphemous. (I for one wouldn't like to have seen this inside the church - though I don't claim very good logic for this view.)

That said, I hope it would be accepted that the number of Christians around nowadays who regard sex as 'dirty' is mercifully falling. Most - and certainly all those whose views I respect - regard the joy and pleasure it brings as, at best, God-given. Masturbation is a trickier issue perhaps - though my view would be that the only Biblical reference to it (in Genesis 38, if anyone wants to check) refers to something quite different (coitus interruptus with malice aforethought?). Arguably, it's a crucial part of learning to love yourself, which is something any Christian would recognise as an essential part of living a mentally healthy life. Logically, then, disseminating videos which celebrate rather than cheapen these activities should surely be regarded as wholesome and be duly applauded.

...which brings me to my own challenge. I regard myself as a Christian and am only sorry that many of my acquaintances would still completely misunderstand my subscribing to your site. On the other hand, I hope that the IFM 'powers that be' would not despise such a person as some fuddy-duddy holier-than-thou type just because of what might be assumed to be their beliefs. Above all, there must surely be room for a joyful eroticism which ennobles rather than demeans the spirit.

blissed

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joyful eroticism which ennobles rather than demeans the spirit.

Eroticism that ennobles the spirit sounds really good.

I have a friend in NewZealand who's Maori who believes in Io a genderless spirit who is the Christian god and all the other gods too. and he believes Io is divine but religions are a human response to Io and so as they are our own creation they're filled with our flaws and imperfections. From the ancient human sacrifices to the Popes recent shinanikins.

I think both spirit and soul are a product of the complexity of our minds, like a video is really just made of millions of dots just in the right place and ever changing, our conscious and unconscious being is made of billions of cells that are just in the right place and that place and those connections are ever changing. The existence is created by our perception. We create a notion and so it exists, it doesn't have to be solid to exist (the notion can be a country ) it can be data in our minds or a movie on a video tape.

All this pretty much exists in the human domain only though and so is generally species specific to us and our human perceptions. That's why for centuries people have decided other species can't participate, so they have no soul. What I think is really exciting is when we create a machine intelligence that has broader perceptions than us, so then to them we become the dog running behind the TV to catch what it sees on the screen.

Anyway dhulme kudos to you for placing your religion and sex into the same healthy perspective.

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fleshspirit

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Re: Erotica and religious faith

Iam a christian and do find it hard to discuss the word sex
Iam older and I hate the term dirty old man
I Find it hard to meet a woman and even discuss sex as a christian
I do plan to marry but would like a mate that would enjoy the Gift of sex from God but with one man only
I was 18 in war vietnam before I ever had sex I have much to learn
Yes being a christian you would not be accepted by being on a site like this
Had trouble with porn but found your site which is not degrading sex we can learn alot and share
I hope to hear from someone who might be able listen to my heart
Thank you Im new so tell me more
Iam a 61 male so it is hard to find friends Iam more introverted

jeor0825

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I'm personally delighted to find this thread and wish more members would post.

I was raised in two of the major world religions and extremism in both. What I learned publicly was very much in contradiction to what I read on my own, and from the common holy book no less.

I now view sexuality as a celebration of creation, pleasure and the uniting of a binary creation. My girlfriend described her first two anal orgasm experiences as, "I think I saw god" and, "This time he was laughing!" Notably, she professes the christian faith and was raised in a very strict sect herself. Our views on sexuality come from the christian creation story where the creator looked on all creation and pronounced it not only good, but very good.

daveincali

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As much as I enjoyed watching Rogue it was disrespectful of the church and their views. Even if one doesn't agree with another's viewpoint, we should still respect it.

sonice

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Challenging the church, respectfully or otherwise, and those who claim authority is what artist are supposed to be doing. A job well done I might add.

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@daveincali - why precisely is sexual pleasure disrespectful?

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VeronicaF

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As much as I enjoyed watching Rogue it was disrespectful of the church and their views. Even if one doesn't agree with another's viewpoint, we should still respect it.

Before I start I'd just like to point out that I am in no way expressing the opinion of the site or Feck or any other human, cyborg or thoroughly trained monkey on here....This is just something I've been thinking about.

I personally do not agree that every belief is entitled to respect. 

If you truly believe one idea and base your life upon it, how can you possibly listen to someone elses contradicting theory and NOT think they're batshit crazy?  There are sexual preditors out there that truly believe that their victims not only consented but enjoyed their experience, yet most people would look at the evidence and conclude...ummm...not likely.  It's near impossible to respect something you don't believe, so by all means avoid conflict if you feel it makes your life easier, but why disguise it as anything other than what it is?

I understand why some people may be offended by Rouge_Soie's contribution, however as this project is very much about the expression of the contributor, I would never see that as grounds for rejection.

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Re: Erotica and religious faith

As much as I enjoyed watching Rogue it was disrespectful of the church and their views. Even if one doesn't agree with another's viewpoint, we should still respect it.

Well this made me giggle, while I don't even claim to know which religion 'the church' actually represents I'm sure it's likely to be one that vehemently campaigns against gay marriage as well as a plethora of other apposing views.

sonice

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As a representative of the association of thoroughly trained monkeys, VeronicaF can speak for me:)

VeronicaF

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anytime sonice

kypris

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My one and only answer for such questions:

Take the holy Bible, dispose that bullshit on the dust bin and enjoy your sexual pleasure.

That’s it.

(And of course, same as whole the other, world’s holy books and esoteric mental enfeeblement.)

3rdparty

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I suspect that one man's "bullshit" is another's "gospel"...this world, it appears to me, is too intolerant and why do we feel it necessary to put one another down.  If "artists" feel the need to make a statement, so-be-it, but let that statement be an honest one...not one made for spite or shock value.  (Forgive me, I'm new)

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kypris

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I suspect that one man's "bullshit" is another's "gospel"...this world, it appears to me, is too intolerant and why do we feel it necessary to put one another down.  If "artists" feel the need to make a statement, so-be-it, but let that statement be an honest one...not one made for spite or shock value.  (Forgive me, I'm new)

I know my opinion is hard, my reaction maybe exaggerated. But...

...the more holy Bible, all the worse the warmonger.

This book is causing intolerance, marginalization, violence, violence, violence and is severely criminogenic.
There is no space any more, in ours enlightened modernity, for such an archaic poor piece of workmanship and it should be a banned book. Of course, same as all the other monotheistic warmongering.

In all modesty, my opinion only, spoken in liberty; enjoy your wonderful life and sexuality.

3rdparty

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Ah yes..."opinions".  That seems to be the problem...we all have them and they are ours, aren't they?  What we say vs. what we do are sometimes at odds and therein lies much of the problem...believer(s) or not!

Oh, by-the-way, hear's to sexuality...I think we're believers!

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kypris

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WHITE CHURCH Ltd. Mister God’s brain-research and development center.

By the way, is there somebody at this forum, who knows the correct email address of Mister God? Because, I have so many questions. The main quest would be: There must be some place, a very small point in the human brain, deeply in the limbic system or somewhere between the primarily somatosensory cortex, the prefrontal cortex and the cerebellum, which is the trigger of the orgasm pleasure feelings. Where is that special spot? I am sure, Mr. God, who is the constructor of the human brain, knows exactly where that point of lust is located and how I can stimulate it. Why he keep that secret for himself, is he jealous? If Mr. God would give away that secret. Wowww great!!! I would be able, without arduous body stimulation, to slither steadily, from one orgasm to the next, the whole day and night long. A really, I would say, peacemaking outlook!

Of course, I have many more questions but I can’t find Mr. God and I’ve never seen his eschaton-hippie Jesus. Possibly those ghosts are in my head only, or are they living in Rouge_Soie’s white church?

kypris

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No news from Mister God’s brain-research and development center:
I’m still searching, wait and wait, but Mister God, never give me an answer. I think, the whole question should to be put differently.

For sure, if I would ask him, where is that little part in the human’s brain, transmutes by correctly used manipulation, a soldier into an utterly fearless killer-machine, –immediately, he would give me the right answer.
If I would ask Mr. God, how can I manipulate a soldier’s brain, so he get more satisfaction by killing enemies on battlefields, than by enjoying orgasm pleasure with his wife together at home? –Sure as death, promptly he will give me the answer.
And if I would ask him as my very last question: Dear Mr. God, please for Chrissake, show me that small red press button in the human’s brain, I only need to push and the whole earth is clean bombed from any life; –definitely, all holy books’ Mr. God will give me the answer, tomorrow.

Cause Mr. God is a nice fellow, so long as you ask him the right question, he will give you the correct answer. Ask and it would be given you! But, perhaps it’s much better I never ask him anything any more, keep my brain as it is and live in peace and love on our wonderful planet.

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I'd like to think that God had a good giggle.. I am 100% certain that while the Church has postured as the word of God since it's inception, it has rarely walked the talk as an institution, although many fine individuals have, and summarily been executed, tortured, exiled, and ex-communicated for doing just that. Would God punish it's own creation? If we are to follow a Christian argument, and be true to God (rather than the Church), I would think that God would love all acts of pleasure, all acts of creation whether fully realised or not, and would certainly gain gratuitous satisfaction from seeing the hypocritical sanctimony of the Church upset by a perfectly natural and beautiful, even Innocent, act.  If I was God and had the Church representing me, I'd be really, really annoyed, and dismayed.

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Ha ha yeah I think if Jesus does come back he's gonna have a few things to say about the church and the bible Which he'll be reading for the 1st time. I'm Atheist but I think Jesus as an infallible human saw some things that had been observed by Socrates and others before him and put it all together beautifully to produce something profound and very simple. Egalitarian love promotes trust and trust gives us freedom. Remarkably he sold that to a very right wing strict conservative  audience  who carried his work into the bible. Through lots of self interested edits and translations his best work does survive because it's so clear and simple you can't fuck about with it without it noticing. "treat others as you would have them treat you, unless their homosexual" see it doesn't work No man must lay with another man as if he were a woman is in the old testament which isn't Christian it's a set of rules Jesus had to acknowledge and respect or be killed for blasphemy. Yeah if Jesus came back he'd have a lot of things to say he couldn't say before.

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artist_kitkat

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Yes, that would put all the hyperbole about free speech to the test .

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