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hyperballad · 21-04-10 05:16:16

http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/well … -srs5.html

This is an extremely irritating article in The Age.

In particular Robbie Swan's comments on male escorts/brothels significantly disturb me.

Why are women any less entitled to sex services than men? Such a crock of bs.

richard · 21-04-10 10:42:39

He doesn't say that, you're misquoting him. What he says is true, very few women will pay for sex, compared to men. But he isn't knocking your right to do so at all.

hyperballad · 22-04-10 00:59:58

But saying it's a service of little value, he *is* knocking my right to do so.

How am I misquoting him either? I haven't quoted him at all, I just find what he has to say on the topic disapointing, it's a very 1 dimensional point of view.

I think you would be surprised to know how many women would use a male escort/brothel service. How long ago was it that sex shops were the covered in haunts where women seldom ventured? The Sexyland venture radicalised the entire sexshop scene and is making a freaking mint off women customers.

Seen the figures on how much porn is consumed by women these days? That shocked the shit out of everyone hey?

Tapping into the female market would be a lucrative venture, as the woman in this article illustrates - how is her business in male escorts growing and extending (pun intended) interstate if there NO demand, or very little at that?

I'd fuck a male prostitute and pay for it. But without the framework that exists for female prostitutes, I'd hesitate... As a lone female am I going to invite some guy off the internet to come fuck me in my home?

Services like My Male Companion are valuable to all women, women like me, even to those that *choose* not to use them - to dismiss such services as worthless or unecessary is dismiss the right for females to express their sexuality and have access to sex services, just like men do.

I also think it's interesting that men feel qualified to comment on whether women will pay for sex. Instead of just saying 'oh women can get sex whenever they want' maybe examine the reasons why women would like male sex services, I think you'll find there will be some similarities between womens' reasons and the reasons men visit brothels.

This article actually goes into some examples of why. I think they're valid reasons, I think my reasons are valid and that this avenue should be supported.

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ngaio · 22-04-10 01:27:10

I only skimmed the article yesterday but I found Swan's comment annoying, though not especially surprising.

"women tend not to have sex without love or affection, whereas men do all the time. ''That's just the difference, biology, and the internet doesn't change that,'' he says."

I am so tired of people using their half baked notions about biology to explain their beliefs about what women are like. There have actually been scientific studies done that have found women to be just as promiscuous as men. It is my personal belief that women are only socialised to be less promiscuous and want "love" with sex (and babies, and white picket fences).

ngaio · 22-04-10 01:30:09

But mainstream media articles about women and sex always tend to be dissapointing. They always seem to have a large degree of surprise in them "Women like sex? Really? Let's ask some randomly selected "experts" about this!"

That said, I really only skimmed that article so for all I know it could be fair and balanced!

nihpuad · 02-05-10 04:32:37

As a person of the male persuasion, I won't presume to comment on the desirability of male prostitution (except to say that I don't see any reason why anybody shouldn't be able to sell sexual services of any sort to anybody else, as long as it's all consensual). I will say I have to wonder about the economics of the deal: Male sexual performance is a relatively scarcer resource than female sexual performance. That shouldn't matter in the high-end escorting market... but I'm guessing (and I really am guessing here) that at a lower price point, not being able to see many clients in a day would be a problem.

In any case, the idea of male escorting makes for a really funny TV show!

blissed · 03-05-10 12:02:47

Been thinking about this for a few days. Being so desired by large numbers of ladies that they're willing to pay you would be a huge turn on. You could come with the first person you see in the morning and then everyone else would have an IFM couples kind of experience, perhaps involving all kinds of fantasies and areas their partner is unwilling to explore. After a while when you know enough you would naturally evolve into areas of sex therapy and call yourself a sexual enjoyment therapist Everything you do would be theraputic anywa., I'd avoid the term prostitute until the picture it paints in peoples minds is exactly the same as what I do, For the right person I think it would be a really enjoyable business and don't laugh but if you had regular clients I think in many ways it would be very similar to being a hair dresser and in the job satifaction and happiness reasearch Architects seem to usually come near the bottom and hairdressers nearly always come out near the top.

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3FootLizard · 09-05-10 10:21:33

The thing is, he'd probably end up servicing men. This is from someone who told me about her male escort friend.
I can say that the author is correct. Most women won't pay for sex.
You see, they know they can get it without having to do so.
See Chris Rock on why women can pass up sex more easily than us men.

Lestat01 · 09-05-10 13:30:04

To me, women are very capable of being remarkably more horny than men. Men see and get aroused. Women see and can get that way but they also have a tremendous capacity for just thinking or fantasizing in an idle moment and becoming insanely so in a few moments. I have a large breasted friend who will be just hanging out as just "one of the guys' (a bit of a tomboy but hetero) and then something kindles in her memory and I look back and her nipples are sticking out half an inch on a 90 degree day. And it's clear on her distracted face what she's perhaps thinking of. I only mention all this to make the point that if male prostitution were part of the norm and accepted you would have so many more happy, lovely women. And that is nothing but a beautiful thing.

Daveyt79 · 13-05-10 01:40:36

I think im gonna take it up !! - Strictly women only tho !!!

hyperballad · 13-05-10 04:52:24

3FootLizard wrote:

The thing is, he'd probably end up servicing men. This is from someone who told me about her male escort friend.
I can say that the author is correct. Most women won't pay for sex.
You see, they know they can get it without having to do so.
See Chris Rock on why women can pass up sex more easily than us men.

I've seen Chris Rock live and whilst his views on female/male interaction and sex are freaking hilarious, he outlines archaic and very stereotypical gender roles.

And you're missing the point *entirely*. Paying for sex from a male escort is definitely not the same as picking up some random guy from somewhere (a bar or a club etc etc)

Also, are you a female? Because the view you're outlining here has a distinctly male flavour to how women will and won't get sex.

What's with these sweeping generalisations on what an entire gender will and won't do?

Sweeping generalisations on gender *really* grinds my gears.

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richard · 13-05-10 06:20:38

But he's just stating a fact. Most women don't pay for sex. He's not saying they shouldn't. (OK he said 'won't', not 'don't', but the difference doesn't change the argument - they don't now, and they won't in the immediate future.) If more women did, the back pages of the local paper would be full of male escort ads. There are only a few because it's not a lucrative business, not enough customers to keep the service providers busy. That's not a sweeping generalisation any more than 'most men don't wear skirts', and it's safe to say 'most men won't wear skirts' in general context. Also, if you argue that most women will pay for sex, would that be a sweeping generalisation, an inaccurate one?

hyperballad · 13-05-10 07:49:33

richard wrote:

Also, if you argue that most women will pay for sex, would that be a sweeping generalisation, an inaccurate one?

Touche.

However, I reiterate what I pointed out from the original article:

hyperballad wrote:

Tapping into the female market would be a lucrative venture, as the woman in this article illustrates - how is her business in male escorts growing and extending (pun intended) interstate if there NO demand, or very little at that?
I'd fuck a male prostitute and pay for it. But without the framework that exists for female prostitutes, I'd hesitate... As a lone female am I going to invite some guy off the internet to come fuck me in my home?
Services like My Male Companion are valuable to all women, women like me, even to those that *choose* not to use them - to dismiss such services as worthless or unecessary is dismiss the right for females to express their sexuality and have access to sex services, just like men do.

If it isn't lucrative why is this woman's male escort service booming? And booming enough to be operating in several states?

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richard · 13-05-10 08:20:47

They use 'booming' in a relative sense. It's increasing off a very low base. They're in the story business, so they're talking it up.

hyperballad · 13-05-10 08:51:41

I disagree.

However we just seem to be going back and forth about this, which is kind of pointless.

You believe one thing, I another. Perhaps we ought to leave it at that.

blissed · 13-05-10 23:04:22

Women buy vibrators and go and see male strippers and some have physical contact with them there in front of all their friends so women are prepared to invest in a sexual experience. I would think if paying for a good sexual experience was seen as a healthy investment just like a massage or a dip in a jacussi more women and indeed more people of both sexes would be interested.

I know I don't really know what I'm talking about here and many of my notions on this subject come straight from the world of wishful thinking but I suppose thats where most visions and concepts begin including this site.

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viva · 14-05-10 06:46:29

Hi everyone, first time poster here!

Just wanted to chime in as I find this issue really interesting and one which gets right to the heart of the basic difference between male and female sexuality. When we look at how people spend their money we can learn a lot about their motivations. I think it's safe to say that most women do not pay for sex (yet?), but they do shell out a lot of cash for vibrators, lube, books about their own sexuality, etc - tools for self-exploration and toys which can act as sex-substitutes.

so it makes complete sense that if advertised properly, friendly, patient, and even specially skilled men available to work with, play with, and otherwise be taken care of by would be an extremely attractive option for a woman focused on her own sexuality.

I love this article for that reason. Like blissed said about portraying sex-work as theraputic and healthy, it takes the idea of women paying men for sex and instead of making a mockery or something tittilating out of it, clearly shows that there is a desire for professional sexual experiences...
however I do agree that Swan comes off like a twat.

Speaking for myself, if i just 'wanted sex' I would prefer to be treated to a glorious night with a practiced professional who would be paid to understand and perform exactly what and how i wanted, then to spend nearly the same amount going out and ending up with some dude who probably doesn't give a shit about being a good lover...

or think of it like having a personal sex instructer! if "Eva" goes big, eventually she might want to consider adding sexual training to her menu - wanna learn how to squirt? never had a g-spot orgasm, or maybe any orgasm at all? i know i would have loved to have a big confident man come over every week when I was 18 and teach me how to come - instead I had to agonise over whether or not I was "broken" until i figured it out!

come to that, with a partner open-minded enough i could see hiring a guy to come to bed with us for that once-in-a-while mmf romp... yum. sky's the limit.
-xo~viva

blissed · 15-05-10 21:39:52

viva wrote:

come to that, with a partner open-minded enough i could see hiring a guy to come to bed with us for that once-in-a-while mmf romp... yum. sky's the limit.
-xo~viva

If they weren't you could still go ahead and take advantage of any 2 for the price of one special offer

Viva welcome to the forum.

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Damien742 · 11-11-10 15:26:58

To bad it's an old thread.. this was fun!
First I'd just like to ask a straight question, how come men thinks they know better what women do or don't do than themselves? Thats just funny.
Second. I think the point is, most HUMANS don't pay for sex in the form of a living person. Male OR female. I do not think less women would pay for sex than men. As hyperballad pointed out, there's a BIG difference between picking someone up in a bar (which a lot more women do than men like to admit, and there's a psychological reason for that). And I have read both articles, blogs and comments from women that would love to have this kind of service. Lots of them business women. No wasted time finding someone, no messy morning after. Makes a lot of sense.
My opinon is based on womens writings and psychological facts of the human race. I don't pretend to understand women better than other men. I do however not kid myself that women is less inclined to use porn or certain kinds of escort services.

richard · 12-11-10 00:46:05

Damien742 wrote:

First I'd just like to ask a straight question, how come men thinks they know better what women do or don't do than themselves? Thats just funny.
Second. I think the point is, most HUMANS don't pay for sex in the form of a living person. Male OR female. I do not think less women would pay for sex than men.

This shouldn't insult anybody as it's just an empirical (admittedly scratchy) analysis of the data.

The percentage of male people who use the services of street workers is so close to 100% there isn't enough space here for decimal places. The proporition of brothels offering non-gay male services (easy to count here as they're legal and all advertise) is probably 2% or less. The number of escort ads offering M-F services would be the highest for this argument, probably as much as 5%.

The argument is not about women would do, or have the right to do, it's about what women do do, and the answer is right there. They rarely pay for sex. Now if you want to argue about what women 'would' do, well market forces control a capitalist economy and for a transaction you need a buyer and a seller. There is no shortage of sellers yet the market is almost very small. Therefore whatever women say they would do, they aren't doing it in significant numbers compared to men.

hyperballad · 12-11-10 01:06:16

I don't think it's that cut and dry.

A male sex worker brothel needs to exist before women can patronise such a place.

Also the stigma needs to be removed from womens sexuality and their persuit of pleasure. The more we talk about these spaces, openly and with honesty the more the wall comes down.

I don't know if I would tee up a random guy working his own escort service off the internet. I would want the security, perceived or real, of an agency or brothel.

Damien742 · 12-11-10 10:07:55

That wasn't entirely accurate richard. The question was if women WILL pay for sex. Admitted, this can be enterprated as well. But I was under the impression the discussion was simply about if women would pay for sex or not.
It's impossible to measure that since there isn't the choice for women to do that everywhere.
Thus, there really is no reliable data out there on the topic. But everywhere the topic comes up women seem to say about the same, they would like the choice.

richard · 12-11-10 15:02:35

Damien742 wrote:

That wasn't entirely accurate richard. The question was if women WILL pay for sex. Admitted, this can be enterprated as well. But I was under the impression the discussion was simply about if women would pay for sex or not.
It's impossible to measure that since there isn't the choice for women to do that everywhere.
Thus, there really is no reliable data out there on the topic. But everywhere the topic comes up women seem to say about the same, they would like the choice.

Check the first post and read the article.

richard · 12-11-10 15:07:09

hyperballad wrote:

I don't think it's that cut and dry.
A male sex worker brothel needs to exist before women can patronise such a place.

Wherever there is demand, there is supply. There are no brothels because there is no demand. There is certainly no shortage of horny men willing to provide this service for free, let alone be paid for it - and they aren't all creepy.

hyperballad wrote:

Also the stigma needs to be removed from womens sexuality and their persuit of pleasure. The more we talk about these spaces, openly and with honesty the more the wall comes down.

That's right, this is one of the reasons women generally don't pay for sex.

Remember you can only speak for yourself. I'm arguing with the reality of what does happen, which is very different from what might happen if every woman thought like you AND they acted on it.

blissed · 12-11-10 20:06:14

What you need in Melbourne is a feminist art and wellness centre. based in an old industrial building with exposed brick interiors and character. With a coffee bar and a large interesting event space for seminars or poetry or any performance. With not just treatment rooms for acupuncture, non sexual massage and chemical free hairdressing/beauty treatments, but sound isolated on the top floor overlooking a beautiful roof garden, a suite of rooms for sexual wellbeing practitioners of both sexes from vanilla to kink, from Betty Dodson style coaching to people who'll give you simple pleasure. All in a secure setting in the context of empowerment and creativity.

So there would be no stigma, and walking into the building means your there for any one of 100 reasons. and the whole venture doesn't depend on the success of the sexual practices but has an ecology that's responsive to what the users want from it.

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