The Official IFM Comic Thread.

The_West_Wind · 04-07-06 05:25:31

Welcome, here you can post your thoughts on anything comic related. Film adaptations, recent news and rumours, you name it.

Burlesque · 04-07-06 05:29:09

Just to start things off before I have to dash off for work: what in the name of all that's holy did they do to Electra's character in Daredevil (no, I haven't even seen the Electra film, and I don't think I will)?

Burlesque.

The_West_Wind · 04-07-06 06:23:41

Warning!
This post contains spoilers. If you have not seen X-men 3: The Last Stand, and you wish to make your own decision about the film, then it is your decision to read ahead.

Thanks to Berlesque for the idea to get this thread up and running. Here I wish to have my rant about X-men 3: The Last Stand and the comparisons between the film and the comic. I'll start with Jean Grey (Marvel Girl).

Jean Grey / Phoenix: To most comic buffs, they will know that the animated series of the X-men was more close to the comic book than the film version was. I'll try and keep this as short as possible, but it goes like this. The Phoenix Saga, as it is know, began when the X-men who came to the aide of an alien race called The Shi'ar. This race was split into two empires, The Kree and The Skrull. Both races held a half of the M'Kraan Crystal. After Jean Grey attains both halves and repairs the crystal, she offers herself as a host for the Phoenix entity that resides inside. The Phoenix tricks Jean and after bonding with her casts the crystal into a sun. She returns to Earth with her new found power and while carving out the mother of all paths of destruction. The Shi'ar, lead by Lilandra (who has an affair with Professor X later in the series), kidnaps the X-men to stand trail for the genocide caused by the Phoenix and the fate of Jean.
Eventually Jean learns how to control the Phoenix with the help of Professor X and decides to become the permanant host of The Phoenix entity. She says an emotional farewell to Cyclops and departs.

Juggernaut: Cain Marko, known as The Juggernaut in the comic world, is the step brother of Charles Xavier (Professor X). There is no mention on how Juggernaut got his abilities in the film, everyone suspects that its a natural mutation. In the comics Cain Marko treaks through the jungle in Asia (while he and Charles were on military service during the Korean War) and they find the ancient lost temple of Cyttorak. Inside Cain spies a huge red gem on an alter, he picks it up and he reads the inscription:
"Whosoever touches this gem shall be granted the power of the Crimson Bands of Cyttorak! Henceforth, you who read these words, shall become ... forevermore ... a human juggernaut!"
The rest of the story is easy to put together from there.
Later on he becomes one of the good guys through the help of one of Charles' students, Sam Pare (Squidboy). This changes when Sam goes missing and Black Tom Cassidy returns to con him into re-joining The Brotherhood of Mutants. Somewhere in there he gets it on with She-Hulk.
After the House of M incident he becomes good again.

The_West_Wind · 04-07-06 06:29:38

Burlesque wrote:

Just to start things off before I have to dash off for work: what in the name of all that's holy did they do to Electra's character in Daredevil (no, I haven't even seen the Electra film, and I don't think I will)?
Burlesque.

After her death in Daredevil (atleast that one remained true to the comic), Electra was resurected from the dead by a secret organisation called The Hand. (Not to be confused with The Foot from Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)

In the comic the Electra saga gets played out over issues of Daredevil and The Avengers. The Hand kills, resurects and mentally brainwash selected mutants and superheroes in order to conquer the world.
In the movie, Electra manages to break her brainwashing.
You can watch the film if you like, however it's nothing special storywise (great special effects though).

kronocide · 04-07-06 13:16:41

I just can't stand Jennifer Garner after an overdose of Alias episodes. How much silicon does she have in her lips anyway? Fish mouth.

Europe was a great place to grow up for a comics lover. Long before the "graphic novel" revolution in the late 80s there had been graphic novels for all ages and tastes, especially in France, Italy, Germany, and of course Belgium. For some of the most suggestive and beautiful comics ever made check out the Italian Lorenzo Mattotti. If you can find his "Fires," get it, it's one of my all-time favorites.

I used to read tons of comics. Even had an intense Manga period (Bondage Fairies, anyone?) for a while. These days I don't have time to keep up with what is coming out, and I usually just buy new stuff by my favorites Alan Moore and Kurt Busiek. (Alan Moore is of course in a league of his own.)

aven frey · 04-07-06 15:24:46

I know this is not what you guys had in mind but I have to say I lurrvv comic porn. In fact its the only porn (besides IFM) that actually turns me on.
These are my favorites:

Bondage Fairies

Small favours

kronocide · 04-07-06 15:26:31

Bondage Fairies 4 teh w1n

Burlesque · 05-07-06 00:08:15

kronocide wrote:

Bondage Fairies 4 teh w1n

I agree, and I particularly like the part about "you masturbation-crazy little nympho", but that's really beside the point I intend to make.

Now that I'm thoroughly inebriated (after a surprisingly soused After Work session) I'll give you a piece of my mind regarding Daredevil, and specifically Elektra's role in that annoying waste of perfectly good celluloid:

Jennifer Garner looks about as Greek as I do (and I can promise you I look about as Greek as The Mighty Thor, only with significantly less muscle mass), and her insipid, non-descript "personality" is quite the opposite of the tough, revenge driven and anti-heroic Elektra of the comics and graphic novels. Even Liandra would have a hard time seducing her, while Jennifer Garner's version is a pushover even for the pre-pubescent advances of a clumsily desperate Matt Murdock (the ever unmemorable Ben Affleck; I actually had to pause here in mid sentence to check the cover of my Daredevil DVD to recollect his name). It's like a bleeding college sweetheart movie in the midst of all the Kingpin/obsessive crimefighter material when Elektra and Murdock go one on one to prove how cool and sexy they are to everyone except the audience. At the risk of sounding like a ranting drunk (which, at this particular moment, I am), I reiterate that the characterisation of Elektra (and Murdoch for that matter) are so far off that you would have to go out to the orbit of Neptune to find anything as farfetched.

There are two reasons why my purchase of the Daredevil DVD is not a complete loss: the first fifteen minutes are absolutely brilliant (which only makes the rest of the film all the more disappointing) and the perfect choice of actor for Kingpin, the superb Michael Clarke Duncan. I was just as fanboyishly "Kingpin is supposed to be white" as everyone else until I saw Mr. Duncan in the role and realised that no one else could have played the part half as well.

Your friendly, alcohol-addled (I've picked the word "addled" up from Lia; it seems to be one her favourites) neighbourhood
Burlesque.

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The_West_Wind · 05-07-06 03:07:57

Those posts were cool. I agree with Burlesque I liked the part where that lady called her a "Masturbation-crazy little nympho!"
Classic!

Kronocide: Now is the best time to get back into Marvel comics if you used to read them. The aftermath of The House of M almost completely starts every series from a new begining.

Also, a new series of The Mighty Thor is on its way. After the climactic ending of the last series it has been over a year and a half since the last issue hit the stands. This is going to be big!

I'll be more than happy to bring you or anyone up to speed on current happenings in the Marvel Universe.

The_West_Wind · 05-07-06 08:42:38

Liandra wrote:

I loved the british Tank Girl comics when I was a teenager, I wasn't so keen on the movie.

I was introduced to Tank Girl through the movie. But looking at this link from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_Girl# … _the_movie
I admit, the movie could have been better. Tank Girl was one that has avoided a spot on my shelf.

I was suprised that a comic existed. The band Gorillaz (RIP Noodle) was said to have been influenced by Jamie Hewlett's artisitc style. I'll have to check it out when I come to Melbourne next month.

kronocide · 05-07-06 09:53:56

I love Tank Girl. In fact, I was going with Tank Girl for a while in the mid-90s. My best friend told me that Tank Girl was in his class at the graphic design school, and that she hadn't even ever heard about the comic. Then the first time I saw her I was like, "Tank Girl!" Tall and slim and nicely curved with a cute smile, a buzz job, and huge boots. Her nickname was Pi, and dangling around her neck she had two black dogtags with the pi symbol and the line "No, have you?" which of course is from Aliens.
Male marine soldier to muscular female colleague: "Hey Vasquez! Have you ever been mistaken for a man?" Etc...
How could I not fall in love?

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kronocide · 05-07-06 11:10:34

Oh btw, this shoul probably go in the movie thread, but that same actress who played Vasquez (Jenette Goldstein) had a similar comment in The Presidio:

Male MP colleague: "Patti Jean, if it gets cold out there, you give me a call."
Patti Jean: "I got a jacket."
Male MP: "It's not the same as a man."
Patti Jean: "Neither are you."

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blissed · 07-07-06 00:14:13

I like Jamie Hewitts (the creater of Tank girl) stuff but I only really got into it with the Gorillaz videos which I think he directed. The one with the jeep driving over the bridge sort of blew me away. I thought it was great. I haven't seen much of tank girl or the tank girl movie which I think he directed as well. I'll have to have a look at it all.

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Siobhan · 07-07-06 02:50:54

Ah, finally! I knew that one day, if I was patient and good, someone would show up to tell me who the artist was who created my favorite comic. You folks are a veritable faunt, so here goes:

When I was a very young lass, my father got a subscription to a brand new magazine put out by the creators of National Lampoon. There was a lot of buzz about this magazine, I remember that clearly. It was called Heavy Metal, and it was to be a collection of comix for adults. The one name I remember from that magazine was ? Frank Stella?. But that's not the one I'm after.

There was this drawn character that I become completely obsessed with. He was heroically human, with bulging muscles that approached even a Tom of Finland unreality. He was always naked, with a penis that was so beautiful that it was a work of art -- his whole body was. He was bald, hairless everywhere, actually. His name was Den.

Does anyone remember this masterful act of imagination? Was anyone else so taken?

kronocide · 07-07-06 03:08:01

Den! You are talking about Den and he was (is?) drawn by Richard Corben. I like his women too, bulging in all directions. Another cool comic was Druuna, by Paolo Serpieri. Druuna is something as original as a Western erotic comic with a tentacle fetish...

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Siobhan · 07-07-06 03:13:11

Yessss! Richard Corben. I had thought he'd retired Den a long time ago.

I liked the women as well, but that Den, he was something special.

thanks, K!

The New York Times has finally cottoned on to the explosive growth of graphic narratives and is featuring several in weekly installments in the Sunday magazine. I've become very fond of Chris Ware. I know that's not the type of stuff y'all are mostly focusing on here, but, hey, just thought I'd share. . . .

kronocide · 07-07-06 03:38:46

Siobhan wrote:

Yessss! Richard Corben. I had thought he'd retired Den a long time ago.

You're probably right.

Although I haven't read that much by Chris Ware, what I's seen has been brilliant. One of the oddest and most entertaining comics I've read lately is The Cowboy Wally Show by Kyle Baker.

Serpieri, the Ass Master

The_West_Wind · 07-07-06 05:21:08

This just in! (well... more like, found).
http://www.marvel.com/news/moviestories.383

Its a press release by Marvel Comics letting the public know what film adaptations they will be working on in the future, once Ghost Rider is finished.

Somewhere on the web there is a teaser of the new Spiderman three that wont be due out until 2007. For those who havent seen it, I'll have a go at finding it and try to link it here. This is sure to be big, "Our friendly neighborhood Spiderman" will certainly have his hands full with this next edition to the series.

According to Wikipedia, Marvel's release of The Mighty Thor wont be until 2009. Who knows, maybe Stan Lee will play Odin. That would be cool. I cant wait!

Siobhan · 07-07-06 14:00:13

love spidey. that's exciting.

K -- looked at your kyle baker link -- it kind of looks like crumb?

kronocide · 07-07-06 14:24:04

The link I made above is to Serpieri's Druuna. I think he's a little too anatomically elaborate to remind me of Crumb, although they seem to share certain fetishes (big butts!).

Kyle Baker has an original drawing style that somehow manages to be cartoonish and very realistic at the same time.

Here's some Baker

Phew, it's 34C (93F) outside and 30C (86F) in my apartment. I'm melting.

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The_West_Wind · 17-08-06 09:00:31

This Just In...

This is probebly old news to those of you in the northern hemosphere, but I have just got the issue that is going to rock the comic world to the core.

Marvel Comics - The Amazing Spiderman - Civil War Series issue 533 - "The Night The War Came Home" part 2/6

Spiderman goes public and unmasks!

**The West Wind will be in Melbourne in two days!!**

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Burlesque · 18-08-06 06:24:02

This is sort of a combination between the movie and comics thread, but anyway: I've just seen the film version of "V for Vendetta", and it exceeded my expectatations a great deal. The filmmakers have kept the overtly political and morally ambiguous aspects of the graphic novel, while making a fast moving and entertaining film that is still poetic and has literary qualities. Much respect to Hugo Weaving (Elrond, Agent Smith), who agreed to play a demanding role where he doesn't get to show his face for even a second.

The fact that Alan Moore (the writer of the graphic novel) refused to put his name on the film has nothing to do with its quality; it's just a general principle of his, I'm given to understand. It does look a little funny though: "Based on the graphic novel illustrated by David Lloyd" is an odd credit .

Burlesque.

pcobb4759 · 10-11-09 00:26:18

A thread about funny stuff--was looking for something else & found this. Sometimes I think we could use some laffs!

ngaio · 10-11-09 01:11:04

Ooo! Comics! I love comics!

The Watchmen - I love Alan Moore and this book so much that I refused to watch the movie. He makes a serious, thought provoking comment about the superhero genre, politics, etc etc while still having a story that is incredibly fascinating. I've read it three times so far and I don't often reread things.

The Lost Girls - Alan Moore again, this time an erotic series of stories told by Peter Pan's Wendy, Oz's Dorothy and Wonderland's Alice. This is the series that proved - in my mind - that porn can be art.

Maus - Award winning book retelling the author's father's experiences in the Holocaust. Utterly amazing and imporant comic.

Fun Home - A true story about the author's relationship with her father, her homosexuality etc. Incredibly moving, personal and beautiful story.

...I have to stop and get back to work now but I WILL be back. I love comics.

ravenbarber2046 · 10-11-09 15:37:42

ngaio wrote:

Ooo! Comics! I love comics!
The Watchmen - I love Alan Moore and this book so much that I refused to watch the movie. He makes a serious, thought provoking comment about the superhero genre, politics, etc etc while still having a story that is incredibly fascinating. I've read it three times so far and I don't often reread things.
The Lost Girls - Alan Moore again, this time an erotic series of stories told by Peter Pan's Wendy, Oz's Dorothy and Wonderland's Alice. This is the series that proved - in my mind - that porn can be art.
Maus - Award winning book retelling the author's father's experiences in the Holocaust. Utterly amazing and imporant comic.
Fun Home - A true story about the author's relationship with her father, her homosexuality etc. Incredibly moving, personal and beautiful story.
...I have to stop and get back to work now but I WILL be back. I love comics.

Can't argue with the above list. Lost Girls in particular is truly magnificent, and probably one of the most important comics of all time.

To the above canonical titles, I'd add "David Boring" by Daniel Clowes (my favourite comic of all time) and "Blankets" (forgot the author's name). Oh and don't forget "Ghost World", also by Clowes. The comic is so much better than the movie.

This seems like an old thread, and I'm glad someone exhumed it.

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