Female ejaculation...

ngaio · 09-06-09 05:30:53

http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg2 … ?full=true

I didn't realise there was still any sort of doubt about it... I mean, I know I'M not peeing! Huh.

neukgraag · 09-06-09 20:40:29

Very interesting article.

Are you familiar with Flower Tucci? She squirted 16 ft during a demonstration that was released on February 21, 2007. And a model named Annie Cruz squirted 13.5 ft far during the same event.

Quite amazing.

ngaio · 10-06-09 01:22:25

Nope, not familiar but impressed!

gala · 10-06-09 03:04:07

In what context was this 'demonstration' presented? I have seen Annie Cruz (and if Flower has appeared there I've probably seen that as well) in a 'contest' type scenario on fuckingmachines.com, and yeah, it's cute and funny and stuff but more and more I am aware of that positioning of female ejaculation as spectacle. Now, I can make space for the possibility that what kink.com is doing here is pretty camp and done with a sense of humour and that sort of thing, so I can't necessarily just take it at face value. Especially considering that I own some of those clips and have enjoyed them. But there are lots of productions that make a spectacle of female ejaculation in much the same way that they make a spectacle of the male 'money shot'.

So what's wrong, anyway, with spectacle? There are a few things that come to my mind when I think about this, and for me personally it's important to at least consider them, whether or not I make some judgment or change my behaviours in some way as a result. Part of the reason for the historical marginalisation of female orgasm or female sexuality was that lack of spectacle, that lack of visible evidence that an event (orgasm, pleasure) had occurred. And a lot of mainstream porn is based, as has been discussed elsewhere on the Forums, on the male money shot, making it a sort of locus and placing a lot of other important stuff on the periphery. So when images of female ejaculation come along, because we see it on a subconscious or reactionary level as a mirror of the male money shot, we do pretty much the same thing with that. Shine a bright light on it and effectively make the whole film about that one thing. Which might be a bit of pressure for the person in the film who knows that this film is dependent upon her 'perfomance' of the spectacle. Which isn't always in the cards, might depend on the day, her personal hydration, her health, her mood, her selected partners, etc.

I've been exposed to some discussion about the way that the focus on the visibility of male sexuality in mainstream porn - big dicks, long range, amounts of fluid, etc - can make men feel a bit down about how they fare in comparison. And I think the same thing can be said for female ejaculation. Making a big deal about how far she can squirt and how much and how often between episodes and all of that can make ladies feel a bit funny about their own everyday sexual experiences and how they might look to other people. And I think this is true whether or not she actually experiences ejaculatory orgasms herself.

What I'd like to see happen in regards to porn's treatment of this particular act is to remove it from that 'money shot' context, and I do think that IFM does this to some degree. I like to see it as incidental and not the focus. I like being surprised by it in films - not knowing it's going to happen and seeing it entirely in context - which I actually find to be hotter and more effective. But it's rare that you actually get to see this, because female ejaculation also incarnates as a marketing tool, and whole websites and DVDs are built around it and sold entirely for that reason and no other. On one hand, that is helpful because it steers us towards what we know we want to see. On the other hand, it causes this expectation that has us 'waiting for it', and that removes it a bit from its everydayness, which filters our way of seeing it.

Meh.

ngaio · 10-06-09 03:57:58

I would certainly like to see female ejaculation not being fetishised or put on display as if it's some amazing, hyper-sexual thing but rather simply being shown as a part of the woman's overall sexual experience.

I once watched a video where this man claimed to know how to teach women how to squirt... he claimed they had to be thin, comfortable in their own bodies and with "squirters dimples" on their lower back. He claimed to have spent years trying to find out how to do it and to make a women squirt was this amazing, ultimate sort of goal for him. He seemed to have this idea that women who could squirt were somehow more sexual, enjoyed their sexuality more, than other women. Do you think this is a common perception?

Hell, for a long time I didn't even -feel- it when I ejaculated so it was never even a huge deal for me personally. I still isn't, really, it's just something that happens sometimes, is fun... but it's just one small part of my experience.

aven frey · 10-06-09 04:11:06

You should feed her banannas, was that the guy? He was fantastic, where does one find such a person?

ngaio · 10-06-09 04:48:15

Oh my God! Yeah! That's the guy!! Haha!

gala · 10-06-09 04:55:54

Yes he was excellent. If they have dimples in their backs it means they're 'easy to train'.

Oh, if only there were more men out there like him, pushing female sexuality out of its comfort zone, coaching us all to greater satisfaction...well, that would just be too good to be true.

neukgraag · 10-06-09 21:54:16

Yes, that was indeed on Fucking Machines and it was a contest between Flower Tucci and Annie Cruz. There was also a more recent contest in which Flower fell far short of ther record. It was all presented in good fun.

Some athletes can run exceptionally fast, or jump exceptionally far or high and likewise some can squirt exceptionally far. It is interesting from the point of view as to what is physically possible. That is all.

When a woman does not ejeculate, that does not really matter to me. As long as she enjoys it. Here on IFM, if I can see that she enjoys it, that is nice. But it does not have to be squirting. Facial expressions and body language are sufficient.

drdavidh · 10-06-09 22:09:18

bobby wrote:

You should feed her banannas, was that the guy? He was fantastic, where does one find such a person?

There should be a shortage on banannas if that was the case..lol

blissed · 11-06-09 00:56:27

There's a lot of truth in that actually, I can't come unless I eat enough bananas.

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ngaio · 11-06-09 03:27:26

Sounds like a banana eating fetish to me!

hyperballad · 11-06-09 04:14:21

I don't like bananas... Maybe that's why I can't ejaculate...

Although I do put them in smoothies sometimes.

(As seen in my most recent video on the ISM site)

http://www.ishotmyself.com/public/view_ … hypershake

I think I need to be trying to get more nana's in my tum...

ngaio · 11-06-09 04:38:20

I find banana splits and banana cakes are a good way to go! Mmmm...

VeronicaF · 11-06-09 04:42:55

I just pictured hyperballad with my grandma in her tummy

ngaio · 11-06-09 05:06:04

That's hot on many different levels.

Welcome to the forums, Veronica!

blissed · 11-06-09 12:04:17

Don't forget in porn all bananas are peeled and eaten very slowly
Thats my contribution the hyperballad and Veronica's granny banana eating video idea.

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Folly · 12-06-09 06:24:06

ahhh I have no banana comments to add. Oh wait yes I do, they remind me of car sickness (and the regurgitated resulting banana vomit) when I was a child, but only just now have I been able to eat them again.

But to respond to Gala:

Totally get you, and 2 thumbs up to all the points you made. Just to comment that I really appreciated the "spectacle" of your ejaculation in the video where the light captures the spray in the air (can't remember the name or be bothered looking it up, but that image is the thumbnail I think). I mean it's just so beautiful. I don't know how you feel about the aesthetics in that clip, but I found it to be an impressive display of the erotic beauty that such an ejaculation can make. Yet this clip could also be seen as treating it as a spectacle, it being the focus of the clip.

gala · 12-06-09 09:06:24

Hmm, yeah I see what you're saying, Folly, and if I really want to essentialize things, I could say that the 'spectacle' of female ejaculation as I do it is the reason that I sit here right now, in this country, at this desk. Which is a totally strange thought to have. I don't know how much my original work made for Feck (which started with Beautiful Agony) would have been noticed without that. And that's generally the thing people cite when they discuss my work, unless they've looked at the whole archive of it and followed along with the 'story'. So I'm a bit ambivalent about that part of it - on one hand, it's a great thing to be seen for because it has afforded me some opportunities I might not have had otherwise, but then you could argue, as you have just now, that it has been made into a spectacle. Or that it simply is one and all anyone has ever done with it was light it nicely and made it prettier.

I dunno, it's got a lot of little thought-paths to take. I do agree, though, that the act itself can be a really beautiful expression of pleasure and that there are lots of ways to show that without being too spectac-ular.

gala · 12-06-09 09:08:20

p.s. The banana folks came from this place: http://www.ideagasms.net/ideagasms-home/ but I can't find the video itself right now. I have it on my hard drive at home and it's amazing - totally amateur and really suss as far as the interactions between he and his partner...he kinda treats her a bit like a pet or a parrot of some kind.

Oh, Stephane.

drdavidh · 12-06-09 18:25:36

gala wrote:

Hmm, yeah I see what you're saying, Folly, and if I really want to essentialize things, I could say that the 'spectacle' of female ejaculation as I do it is the reason that I sit here right now, in this country, at this desk. Which is a totally strange thought to have. I don't know how much my original work made for Feck (which started with Beautiful Agony) would have been noticed without that. And that's generally the thing people cite when they discuss my work, unless they've looked at the whole archive of it and followed along with the 'story'. So I'm a bit ambivalent about that part of it - on one hand, it's a great thing to be seen for because it has afforded me some opportunities I might not have had otherwise, but then you could argue, as you have just now, that it has been made into a spectacle. Or that it simply is one and all anyone has ever done with it was light it nicely and made it prettier.
I dunno, it's got a lot of little thought-paths to take. I do agree, though, that the act itself can be a really beautiful expression of pleasure and that there are lots of ways to show that without being too spectac-ular.

I think you greatly underestimate yourself Gala. I think alot of people would find you worthy of viewing regardless of your ablity to ejaculate. I am much more impressed and drawn to the characteristics of intelligence,sensuality,energy and confidence. People may have different talents and characteristics. But they should in my opion be viewed as a whole, not as seperate body parts or ability. I'm sure you would much more appreciate someone saying " hey, there's Gala the beautiful intelligent young woman" compared with "hey, there's Gala the female ejaculator"..Although maybe if you were in some female wresting league that may be a more appropriate title..lol

gala · 15-06-09 04:17:08

I don't think I actually said that ejaculation was my only quality, and I don't feel that it is. What I do know is that my Beautiful Agony video, which features this particular act, brought some attention to my ability to do it which gave me opportunities for other work with the company. Had my Agony been like any other, completely unremarkable (which is not to say that all Agonies are not remarkable, because they are, but for the purpose of my discussion here, let's say that some stick out occasionally, which I think is in the popular opinion of many of the site's users, based on the Forum particularly), I may not be sitting here today because the chain of events that took place from there may not have unfolded as they did. That's all I'm actually trying to say. And I'm not saying that at any point I have been undervalued as a contributor or not taken holistically - I'm just taking a somewhat reductionist standpoint to make a point, and I'm cognizant of that reduction. Folly's question was about my work on IFM as spectacle and I was attempting to respond with my feelings about that, which are somewhat ambivalent.

ngaio · 15-06-09 06:51:17

Just in case anyone's interested, here's a link to a critique of that New Scientist article by Dr Petra Boynton http://www.drpetra.co.uk/blog/?p=847 ...hope y'all don't mind me posting all these links all the time, I just like to share!

blissed · 15-06-09 11:31:34

No I think they're interesting and a healthy part of discussion, bit like film clips in a TV studio discussion.

From the article wrote:

Ten years ago I was at a sexology conference where a well-known physiologist told the audience there was no such thing as the g spot or female ejaculation. He’d conducted autopsy investigations on female genitalia and had never found any tissue resembling a g spot,

You could examine the tip of the foreskin of a dead man and conclude it's just a bit of skin, you couldn't deduce from that it's function in gaining an erection or deduce any element of feeling because the person is dead, Duh!! Lol

And thats a well-known physiologist!!! I've found the embarrassment in society when discussing sex with no open debate to act as a quality control means that although some people are good, the performance bar among some related areas in medicine can be very very very very very low and thats no exaggeration either.

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pcobb4759 · 16-06-09 02:03:23

While perusing the links on the more recent article I came across a description of a remote control devicethat activates an implanted device that stimulates the spinal orgasm nerves in the woman. Remote control?? The mind boggles...

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