Anyone want to discuss breast augmentation

leda · 27-09-07 03:21:25

I'm sorry is this way too cheeky or what pffffft......
I'm all for it if it works for you and would even consider it but I'm all done in with the cost, the pain and too many folks telling me DON`T do it cause I'm already 'perfect'. Aint friends grand

Lets go FISHING

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Sparks · 27-09-07 08:40:38

For me as a male i do not really care if a woman has done a breast augmentation. For me it does not really add anything to the attractiveness though. Only for girls that have really small breasts and might look 'boyish' because of that might benefit in my opinion.

If i may put this bluntly: breasts, as long as a woman has them it's ok to me.

I would also like to add that in most cases the breasts become more unnatural, for me it's a turnoff.

Greets,

Sparks.

leda · 27-09-07 16:46:41

See now I'm offended where are the knights on white horses now.......??? Look as hilarious as this is for me I love how we start here with how it´s all "cool" if you have or haven't done it but like man if you look like a "boy" it´s no good, as well as if it looks "unnatural" that´s no good either, getting the picture here thanks sparky .......well I would think that GUESS WHAT that would be me pfffft!! lucky my personality is so damn superb and my confidence in my own self is so extreme this sort of shite cracks me up.
But GEE isn´t it a wonder indeed why some women feel the need to do it.....I think I need at least another century to work this one out, ho hum

So people I guess here is the teller, do it for yourself cause who cares what the rest of the world wants you to be... otherwise you'll never be a winner baby and that´s no lie!!

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richard · 27-09-07 17:17:57

leda wrote:

See now I'm offended where are the knights on white horses now.......??? Look as hilarious as this is for me I love how we start here with how it´s all "cool" if you have or haven't done it but like man if you look like a "boy" it´s no good, as well as if it looks "unnatural" that´s no good either, getting the picture here thanks sparky .......well I would think that GUESS WHAT that would be me pfffft!! lucky my personality is so damn superb and my confidence in my own self is so extreme this sort of shite cracks me up.
But GEE isn´t it a wonder indeed why some women feel the need to do it.....I think I need at least another century to work this one out, ho hum
So people I guess here is the teller, do it for yourself cause who cares what the rest of the world wants you to be...cause frankly you CANNOT win

You asked for opinions and he expressed his - I wonder what sort of answer(s) you were expecting? Do you think anyone is going to say that unnatural looking breasts would be an improvement?

Why women feel the need to do it? Because they buy into the bullshit that men are only interested in voluptuous women, for the most part; a total fallacy. And this, you know from experience. I know a little about you, I've met you, and I would say you have already won, Leda - and what you could gain from breast augmentation I can't imagine.

Personally I think upsizing is like a man wearing a toupe. If you can't tell it's there, it works for him. But what do you think when you see a guy with a bad toupe? You're not exactly impressed by it, are you? And there are just as many bad tit jobs around as bad toupes, they are just concealed most of the time. Surely it's the grace with which you wear what you have that's impressive, not the size of your tits or how much hair you have on your head. Look at the the people who push the stereotypes; they're professional manipulators, with no imagination, in the BUSINESS of selling celebrity mags, or bourbon, or bad music.

IFM celebrates the beauty of real women and I'd be surprised to see much support here for boob jobs. But that doesn't mean they need be crticised either. Real women have boob jobs too.

leda · 27-09-07 23:33:21

Fair call was being overly harsh, sorry sparks. Would put a contrite face here but not sure how that looks!
It's completely up to us as individuals to decide how we wish to present ourselves to the world and that's really all there is to it.
I wasn't actually saying I thought it was a bad idea either just that with all the effort it takes it wouldn't be worth my while...stressing here on the MY while.
But it's still a complex and pretty damn massive decision to make, so i can understand why people desire to know the reasoning behind it.
I remember how freaked out I was after my second child, my boobs were not 'mine' any more they had completely changed shape, it took me a while to adjust to that. But like all things change so do our poor old bodies haha and for me personally I think I will just learn to live with myself as the passage of time takes hold oooooooooo
This was me being a cheeky so and so about a conversation in another thread, but seriously though if there are people out there who have had surgery for enhancement purposes I for one would love to know the reasoning behind it and if you felt it has helped you at all
Of course if there existed a way to transplant brains well hmmm.......

"and what you could gain from breast augmentation I can't imagine."
Well Mr R does my bum look big in this might become a catch phrase I never use again, I'd be all like um even. I know I'm a 30yr old brat.

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Ianclarke · 28-09-07 01:37:15

Oh, Leda, you are a provocative little Minx!! But I know where you're coming from! (take that as a compliment, please )

momentextase wrote:

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AceHoly wrote:
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Honestly, I don't think it is out of bounds to make a polite query about something that has been visually revealed as this was. And at some level there has to be recognition that hey, I must have really been paying attention.
But in normal day to day interactions between men and women, would you pose such a question to a woman you don't know? In that context would this ever be considered a polite question???

Well, no - but read on ...

I have a female colleague / friend with whom I have worked quite closely for 12+ years. We have enough of a relationship to be able to share occasional "saucy office banter", "double entendre" etc.

Way back then she had boobs which could only be described as stunning. The sort that no man could take his eyes off them, and I can understand that to her this was a problem. A few years back, she took a few days leave, and there was very little secret that this was for a breast reduction.

I'm pleased to say that they're still gorgeous, still impressive, in fact if I hadn't known, I wouldn't have known, so to speak!!

I know. She knows I know. I know she knows I know. Close as we are, neither of would raise the subject, any more than either of us would mention the laser surgery she's had done on her eyes. Her body, her eyes, her money.

BUT - and here's the BIG BUT

But let's suppose, just suppose, in a fantasy world (and of course this is just a "for instance" - not my personal fantasy - no - really - oh well, only on hot summer days), however unlikely, we both get a bit pi-eyed at the company's annual charity ball, and she says - "for fifty quid to the Red Cross, come up to my hotel room, and I'll show you my tits".

NOW would I feel free to ask about her boob job?? Course I would!!

And that would apply even if the same happened with a TOTAL stranger. Is that, or is that not fair?
And if that conversation takes place on a forum where both parties are pretty much anonymous, and either party can chose to back away from the conversation or not even join in on it ("I don't mind showing you my assets, but I don't want to engage in conversation with you") there is even less cause for concern or interference.

Sparks wrote:

If I may put this bluntly: breasts, as long as a woman has them it's ok to me.

Where are the pole-assed Trolls now? Never one around when you feel like kicking one? Isn't this deeply offensive and hurtful to any woman who has had a mastectomy, and pretty depressing for their partners too? xx

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aven frey · 28-09-07 02:23:38

I've seen a couple of really good boob jobs in my time and I think everything done with class is cool. There are so many reasons people change and augment their bodies and I think it's interesting as to why boob jobs are so high on the agenda. Breasts are so tied up in femininity and sexuality and when you're happy with the ones you have or you don't have them at all (cause you're a boy)I guess it's easy to say that changing them is unnessasary.

Well put IanClarke, that totally make me shudder also but I don't think Sparks meant to be offensive, it probably just didn't occur to him!

Ianclarke · 28-09-07 02:39:50

bobby wrote:

Well put IanClarke, that totally make me shudder also but I don't think Sparks meant to be offensive, it probably just didn't occur to him!

No, I'm sure you're right - this was somewhat mischievous satirical comment on the Trolling that happened on the thread which I believe prompted Leda to start this one!! xx

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aven frey · 28-09-07 03:10:04

No I think you were making an important point.

Ianclarke · 28-09-07 03:40:45

Yes, I was, but without getting too heavy, because I truly loathe the PC brigade - many a true word ...
(Word of advice - never play poker with me - I'm so totally, often embarassingly honest and open, that when I decide to tell a lie, everyone believes me)
Devious, or what??

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The_Elfman · 28-09-07 10:56:09

Ianclarke wrote:

(Word of advice - never play poker with me - I'm so totally, often embarassingly honest and open, that when I decide to tell a lie, everyone believes me)
Devious, or what??

Total meander off topic here but do you play on Virginpoker? I'm sure you've taken money off me.

Rooster9 · 28-09-07 12:51:49

For what its worth, there are definitely some men who prefer small breasts. (Like me). That is not to say that they dislike larger ones, its just that the smaller ones tend to have more of a 'Wow factor'. This is whether clothed or naked. Now it is probably fair to say that the majority of these men would consider boob jobs to be a bad idea.
Obviously if there is a reason such as a difference in size between left and right, or restorative treatment after surgery, then all previous statements go out the window.

leda · 28-09-07 16:02:14

momentextase wrote:

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But in normal day to day interactions between men and women, would you pose such a question to a woman you don't know? In that context would this ever be considered a polite question???

I have never once mentioned I'm polite....perhaps I'm just too immature to understand how offensive I can be.
Frankly I'm a very open person who WILL indeed and is known for asking just these questions. Because I'm interested in people and how they feel/think about certain things. But if they choose to say "none of your bloody business" than so be it, I never press further on the issue. Sometimes being bitch slapped can further my curiosity, some people really take offense at the slightest thing, tch tch
Although to expand on that a little more I would probably get into perhaps a little bit of small talk (ie. nice day hey,weather is alright) BEFORE I hound them for knowledge on whether they have had their lovely breasts argumented (every time I write that it just cracks me up, have this ridiculous image in my minds eye of boobs arguing).

But shoot come on, if you don't ask questions than you don't have a chance to view the world through someone elses' eyes, and it's all information which may possibly come in handy one day...I'm not sure how yet but I'll work on the answer whilst I sit in the naughty corner.

Liquid · 29-09-07 03:26:11

There was a series on here a few years back called "Skin Deep" that was about people having cosmetic surgery. They covered all kinds of surgeries. The person having the surgery would talk about their issues, and what their reasons for the procedures were, often family would weigh in, they would show the surgery (abreviated, of course) and show before and after pics. There were 5-6 episodes about women having augmentations done ( and even a couple of reductions.) One lady was a model who wanted larger breasts in the hope of getting more modelling jobs. Another had very differently shaped breasts, and wanted "normal" breasts to fit in. Another was a middle aged lady who just wanted to "perk up" her appearance to look younger. Another had flat breasts due to breastfeeding and wanted to get her youthful figure back. And yes, there was a young lady who was on the show who had two augmentations done (about a year apart) because "she wanted to" for the 1st one, and because the 1st one didn't make her as big as she wanted for the second one. So the reasons women have augmentations are as varied as there are women. A lot of times it might come down to "I just wanted to", but that's a reason in itself.

All that being said, I like looking at fully natural women, as natural selection made them....

kirejos · 29-09-07 06:19:05

leda wrote:

...I'm not sure how yet but I'll work on the answer whilst I sit in the naughty corner.

Ianclarke · 30-09-07 22:10:22

Rooster9 wrote:

For what its worth, there are definitely some men who prefer small breasts. (Like me).

So, Rooster, you would say that the fact you have small breasts has been a distinct social avantage??

jeez, hope he can take a joke....

Ianclarke · 30-09-07 22:35:41

leda wrote:

I have never once mentioned I'm polite....perhaps I'm just too immature to understand how offensive I can be.
Frankly I'm a very open person who WILL indeed and is known for asking just these questions. Because I'm interested in people and how they feel/think about certain things. But if they choose to say "none of your bloody business" than so be it, I never press further on the issue. Sometimes being bitch slapped can further my curiosity, some people really take offense at the slightest thing, tch tch

I recognise a kindred spirit !!!

It has nothing to do with immaturity, Leda.

Maturity = discarding irrational hangups, and then allowing / encouraging others to do the same, doing so gently, recognising that not everyone can do it without some discomfort, doing whatever you can to reduce that discomfort, but not just closing your eyes, your ears or your mouth, and hoping it will go away.

leda wrote:

"they have had their lovely breasts argumented (every time I write that it just cracks me up, have this ridiculous image in my minds eye of boobs arguing)."

and a fellow pedant - love it !!!

p.s. and n.b. this is not a chat up line, far less a proposal of marriage. xxx

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Sparks · 01-10-07 22:00:17

Ahem,

I just expressed my opinion. It was asked, so i gave it. Furthermore i am not here to consider everyone's feelings. So I apologise to the people i offended.

As far as i am concerned breats augmentation is unnecesary, Bobby says that it is easy to say as a male. And yes it is. It seems to be a thing that women bother themselves and eachother with most of the time. Almost all men i know really don't care about women's breasts, i mean, they are fun, but never a real issue. It's the women themselves i always hear complaining about them. I NEVER EVER heard about a guy that doesnt get into a relationship because of her breasts. Ofcourse we look at the external, we are not perfect. But i love my girlfriend, and also with other breasts i would love her.

SInce i like to be a littlebit controversial i will add this. Not only males oversexualize women and their looks (i do not deny we do). If i look at women's mag there are more photoshopped 'perfect' women than in a playboy or another nude male magazine.

My opinion perhaps different. And maybe even rude in your eyes. But it is there and genuine. Some people woul probably be offended by my ideas about religion or politics too. In my country lately there has been a discussion about freedom of speech. SOme claim with freedom of speech, you automatically have the right to offend someone. Because when i say in my opinion religion is the most used excuse for fear mongering and terror, i do offend people. Still i should have the right to say so.

Anyway, i just wanted to express this... It will probably again be seen as rude or demeaning. Just pisses me off that everything you say here is being nitpicked at untill someone finds a way to bash you as being sexist, a male pig or whatever. This is not showing a lot of emancipation in my eyes.
Greetings,

Sparks

leda · 01-10-07 23:18:46

Hmmm I have no problem with people having an opinion and therefore I like to have one to, so excuse me for finding this comment a little tasteless

Sparks wrote:

If i may put this bluntly: breasts, as long as a woman has them it's ok to me.

Sparks.

But of course if you don't wish a rejoiner than perhaps adding a note stating "I would appreciate if no one commented on my opinion........." I might respect their desires.

And for someone who says they enjoy being controversial they certainly can't handle a comeback real well, go figure

Damn ianclarke I thought you were ..........sigh.......... seriously asking me out

jwhite · 02-10-07 00:18:23

Polarchill would be a rejoiner.

Sparks · 02-10-07 19:52:32

I don't mind having a good discussion. So yes, you can comment on my opinion. No problems. It just pisses me off that it seems as if only socially desired answers are acceptable in this forum. But well. I must say this is also a sum of other things i have seen on this forum. So this isn't really all directed to you leda. It just happened to be the last 'drop' that pissed me off.

Anyway, as i see it, discussion yes. But telling someone off because his or her opinion does not match yours, no. Also you might consider that if you are not a native speaker of english, being subtle is harder than you might imagine. I hope my point is made clear.
No hard feelings anyways,

Greets,

SParks

blissed · 02-10-07 21:05:22

If I had a boob job I'd go for a nice one that enhanced my appearance, some people could say I don't need it but then it's my body and my decision to make. No-one has ever seen a great wig because when we saw it, we thought it was a natural head of hair, so a great boob job just looks like a nice pair of boobs. So if the bad one's are all we're aware of, then no matter how many good practitioners there are, the procedure gets discredited.

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centrevom · 02-10-07 23:31:51

blissed wrote:

If I had a boob job I'd go for a nice one that enhanced my appearance, some people could say I don't need it but then it's my body and my decision to make. No-one has ever seen a great wig because when we saw it, we thought it was a natural head of hair, so a great boob job just looks like a nice pair of boobs. So if the bad one's are all we're aware of, then no matter how many good practitioners there are, the procedure gets discredited.
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That's the point exactly. As far as I am aware there is no such thing as a boob job that looks like a nice pair of boobs. So in my experience there is no such thing as a boob job that enhances appearance. Or is there in fact such a thing, and I've never realised because it's so perfect?

Ianclarke · 03-10-07 03:44:32

Sparks wrote:

Just pisses me off that everything you say here is being nitpicked at untill someone finds a way to bash you as being sexist, a male pig or whatever. This is not showing a lot of emancipation in my eyes.

Hi Sparks,
Sorry if you're feeling victimised. My comment on your statement being potentially offensive to some groups was most emphatically not intended as a snipe at you personally.

I was seeking to point up two angles, which pretty much chime with what you have said since

1) There's always going to be some little troll out there who will take offence at anything you say unless it is the bland, generic "Huzzah for Goldilocks, today's vid was stunning" paeons of praise. I was doing a slightly perverse tongue in cheek role-play parodying the PC brigade
2) But there was also a serious point. Whilst I despair of the PC brigade, there are times when, however well meaning, however unintentional, most people including me and you, say things which - ahem - could have been put better. "Breasts, as long as a woman has them it's ok to me" was probably not the most tactful way of putting it, even though anyone with two functioning brain cells knows what you really meant. It was just too soft a target

Leda hits the nail right on the head:-

Leda wrote:

For someone who says they enjoy being controversial they certainly can't handle a comeback real well, go figure
Damn ianclarke I thought you were ..........sigh.......... seriously asking me out

Definitely my kind'o'girl!!

blissed · 03-10-07 05:27:03

centrevom wrote:

blissed wrote:
If I had a boob job I'd go for a nice one that enhanced my appearance, some people could say I don't need it but then it's my body and my decision to make. No-one has ever seen a great wig because when we saw it, we thought it was a natural head of hair, so a great boob job just looks like a nice pair of boobs. So if the bad one's are all we're aware of, then no matter how many good practitioners there are, the procedure gets discredited.
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That's the point exactly. As far as I am aware there is no such thing as a boob job that looks like a nice pair of boobs. So in my experience there is no such thing as a boob job that enhances appearance. Or is there in fact such a thing, and I've never realised because it's so perfect?

Thats pretty likely. there are lots of things that we don't perceive so they don't get included in our judgement. I think striving to look perfect is actually where enhancements can go wrong, if you needed your front teeth replaced with implants, they wouldn't be perfectly straight or they'd look unnatural,

Anyway, I prefer talking about boobs, don't you? :)

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