Teenage Sex Movies 1983

MS2020 · 30-07-22 00:28:49

It can be an amusing thing looking back to the movies that played a part of your adolescence and finding yourself reacting to some parts differently with the benefit of hindsight. Much as look at even your own real life experiences differently. Growing up in the 90s I tend to spend most of my teens years watching older movies home video that what was being marked to teen audience at the time. Though I certainly watched some, even then I know that most of them really weren't that good. As I've said in an earlier discussion, much as was hung up on sex I still wanted to check out movies of quality. Digging through the pages of books and magazines for racy parts was one thing. Actually buying something I didn't plan to fully read was something else.

Of course I really did think even then about the potentially misleading or even degrading implications of how some of these movies feed into a heedless and hostile mindset of sex. At the time I was just so devoted to freedom of expression that I tended to react to any moral outcry with disdain. Which is why that later feel of worry about why young folks would were doing in so movies and whee it might lead, left me fearing I was turning into an old foggy.

I don't believe that's the case. What I think happens is the more we hear about some real life crisis involving teenagers the more we realize something could have happens to us if things had just been a little different or even remember something similar that happened with someone we know. We don't forget that feeling of wanting fun and freedom. We think about it a little differently.

That was on my mind when I found this amusing discussion by famous dueling film critics Siskle and Ebert from the fall of 1983. They briefly look back on the teen beach movies of the 60s they grow up on before examining the more raunchy comedies that were dominating the multiplex at that time. Those early films were already a relic, but they provided the basic outline for the plots of racy films were boys and girls were on the prowl for each other. The bigger difference they argue is that rather than just being more explicit, Porky's and it various imitators are devoid of affection. Being only focused on boys attempts to become men by treating of women as targets to be pounced on and resented if they don't give in. Then they look at some more sensitive movies the period that take a more thoughtful or at least mutual approach to adolescence.

While one can take issue with how well a collage of movies references can accurately reflect the contents of each particular film (for example they don't mention Last American Virgin was unusual in having a downer ending) there points about such movies genuinely suffering from flat stories casual misogyny still holds. It's interest to note this was right before John Hughs started releasing films that really change the whole notion of where such stories can go. Also they promote a follow up presentation how sexual stories in the movies were changing for adults as well. Which I'll upload later.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtB1BGFKrKY

What movies do you remember shaping you notion of sex and relationships as a teenager? Do you think about some of them differently now?

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Fredrikali · 30-07-22 10:37:47

MS2020 wrote:

What movies do you remember shaping you notion of sex and relationships as a teenager? Do you think about some of them differently now?

A topic more important than its surface, I think.

Being a boy I detested all "stupid" comedies when young, and I certainly didn't want to see movies showing me what a real man is, "treating women as targets to be pounced on and resented if they don't give in". I was into Arnold's Terminator action.

Sex I had many notions of, though, on my own, but I guess films that shaped my view were films like the lesbian (and even more lesbian-esque)

Picnic at Hanging Rock (original cut.)

It was only in adulthood I started watching teen mating comedies. Quite recently, actually. Some I find 'destructive' like https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089393

Just One of the Guys

. Others I find absolutely adorable, like the 2001 German film Girls on Top https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0258827/, called Coming Soon in some markets.

Mädchen, Mädchen

This makes the under-rated 1999 New York movie Coming Soon pop into my mind https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0150176/ , which also has its merits, but these are much newer than the period you are speaking of.

Coming Soon

I'd like to challenge myself to think this topic through and come up with some ideas, later. Also, I am intrigued into trying to find films from my youth, apart from the one mentioned above, which did in fact shape my notions of sex. Many were Northern European, surely, since I am Nordic, although Hollywood owned an enormous share of the film market.

They were not sex movies or Porky's movies. I watched no Emmanuelles or any porn. Hmm. Interesting. Subscribing to topic, not to lose it.

In the mean time, I really want to recommend this Norwegian film from 2011, have you not seen it:

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Hangdog90 · 30-07-22 22:24:26

Fredrikali wrote:

MS2020 wrote:
What movies do you remember shaping you notion of sex and relationships as a teenager? Do you think about some of them differently now?
In the mean time, I really want to recommend this Norwegian film from 2011, have you not seen it:

https://iili.io/SwHaF2.md.jpg

I remember this one well, I went to it after seeing the provocative poster, and reading a newspaper review that said it was "a film that has its heart - and its hand - in the right place".

I could easily get off to the poster on its own, enjoying the details of her face, her panties, etc.

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Fredrikali · 31-07-22 19:16:14

I find it somewhat difficult to think of movies from my own youth that shaped my view on relationships.

I asked my wife about it, and she couldn't really think of anyone special movie, herself. She says it was most of them, collectively. By this she means the Greek concept of a comedy, pertaining to the realm of humans, and the dramaturgy of comedies that start off merrily and boy meets girl, and then there is a conflict which makes the whole thing seem as they will lose each other, only to find their way back to each other when the film comes to an end.

This dramaturgy formed her belief that things will go well, sooner or later.

Alongside with this, she feels that movies like Sliding Doors shaped her notion of – let's call it inevitability, an ancient Greek 'fate' of sorts: There is meaning to everything that happens. If she tries to avoid meeting a man, sooner or later she will meet the one meant for her to meet. If she was to pursue a man she wanted to marry, this would only happen if she was 'meant' to marry this one man. If she doesn't meet anyone, she is 'meant' to be alone and her life will be about other things instead.

Most movies that shaped my understanding of relationships were films from girls' perspectives, I think. I remember few others. I hardly remember even them.
There was this one film Barnens Ö/Childrens Island https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080419, which featured a pre-pubertal boy fearing bodily hair soon to grow on his Member parts. He is afraid of adolescence.

I didn't like it, because I could not identify with him, but I still remember it, and it was appreciated by adults at the time. You people in Oz will not be able to see it, I guess, because it has been banned there since 2014, now considered child pornography. I guess this is because the main character played by Tomas Fryk in one scene has an erect pre-pubertal penis. Strange thing to ban, though, because it is not at all about child pornography for adults: it's about a boy discovering Woman. (Also a bit strange within the narrative, since baby boys have erections already in their mother's uterus, and boys get hard when frightened, sometimes, among other things – perhaps the child pornography label bit is a little warranted, anyway?)

But I haven't given up, my search for films that shaped my libido continues.

Fredrikali · 01-08-22 08:43:45

All the R-rated teenage sex comedies presented by Siskel & Ebert are or seem (I haven't seen them all) really stupid, but they are also forerunners to sex comedies for girls which were often better.

Siskel & Ebert really like Valley Girl for being more humane and more feminist. I don't know if it'd pass the Bechdel test though, and the scene they present and like so much makes me want to slam the Bechdel Unapproved stamp on it. (Compare it, for an example, to the 1974 tv movie Tell Me Where it Hurts aimed at middle aged women viewers http://rarefilmm.com/2022/07/tell-me-wh … urts-1974/ which puts the female subjects at the centre of everything, in a positive way.)

Siskel & Ebert also try so hard being feminist that their take on these films to me seem like a feminist sharpshooting John Wayne's blasting revolvers. I think they rather show that feminism is best handled by women. But it's a good Bechdel point they're making that "even the women" in movies should have names. I just hate it when important characters are billed as Girl 1, Girl 2, and Girl 3 as in, say, The Looking Glass War or the otherwise lovely Sullivan's Travels. Movies still suffer from this, to some extent, sometimes even films in the avalanche of recent misandrous films.

Also, I think there was a backlash from the boys' sex comedies Siskel & Ebert present in the sex comedies for girls that followed, some of which I present in my earlier posts. Many of those are indeed better; less about scoring a targeted girl (as in Johnny Depp's awful "Private Resort" of 1985) and more about understanding and affirming one's own sexuality, how to live it, and with it, in a social and cultural environment.

I still haven't remembered which movies shaped my notion of relationships, though. However, I think that the movies that shaped my view of Women were Alien 1, Aliens, and Terminator 2.

I still think they were good influences, but it's not easy to evaluate oneself.

Today's recommendations: French tv movies Clara's Summer

and Same Sex Parents.

BTW Siskel & Ebert conflate the X rating with sexual content; this is wrong, the X rating only means 'adult audience'. Films like the zombie movie Day of the Dead, full of gore, also get X ratings.

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MS2020 · 05-08-22 22:57:07

=Fredrikali
BTW Siskel & Ebert conflate the X rating with sexual content; this is wrong, the X rating only means 'adult audience'. Films like the zombie movie Day of the Dead, full of gore, also get X ratings.

Maybe were you live. I was going to mention this after I posted the next video, but since it's already come up well...

This is mostly a national thing, but in the USA movies almost NEVER get an adult's only rating for violence alone. It's been that way since the 70s when the X Rating was co-oped by the expanding pornography business. Newspapers refused to carry anything with an X Rating after a while and theaters refused to book them because it became synonymous with porn and it has been ever since. It's often been joked that is you have someone kiss the nipple it's X-Rated but it they cut off the nipple it's R-rated.

The creation of the NC-17 Rating to replace the dreaded X in 1990 was supposed to solve this problem (Henry & June was the first movie with the rating if you're curious). It didn't work. Roger Ebert talked about the inconsistencies of the American movie rating system on many occasions and even advocated the creation of an A rating as distinct from the X rating.

MS2020 · 05-08-22 23:04:32

[Siskel & Ebert really like Valley Girl for being more humane and more feminist. I don't know if it'd pass the Bechdel test though, and the scene they present and like so much makes me want to slam the Bechdel Unapproved stamp on it. (Compare it, for an example, to the 1974 tv movie Tell Me Where it Hurts aimed at middle aged women viewers http://rarefilmm.com/2022/07/tell-me-wh … urts-1974/ which puts the female subjects at the centre of everything, in a positive way.)]

Like many I feel the Bechdel Test has been too rigidly applied. As if it were the grand standard for what makes something feminist rather the means of cultural reflect it was original designed to be. I've long hated what I call 'label stamping.' The attempt to designate a movies quality be reducing them to the narrowest elements with no regard for context. Quantity of characters and conversation is no determination of quality. A movie can have a female lead with a mostly male cast and still make her a strong minded character. BTW in Valley Girl the character do talk to each other about more than boys.

I actually caught Just One of the Guys by accident a few times and was kind of surprised how much I enjoyed it. Not brilliant by any means, but I really can't see why anyone would call it 'destructive.' Sure it predictably cheesy, but the lead actress was charming in the Twelfth Night dual roles, it was surprisingly forward thinking in not treating the mistaking for gay trope as a cause for freaking out, and even the usual sexpot girl had some brains and standards. Seemed better the average for it's time anyway.

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Fredrikali · 06-08-22 13:28:47

MS2020 wrote:

Like many I feel the Bechdel Test has been too rigidly applied.

I agree. Many others don't. There's also, for example, the Praying Mantis test of course – what horrible name! – to couple with Bechdel, if one feels the need to. Also based on good intentions, I think.

The idea behind the Bechdel test was a very simple one, and quite basic an idea about movie making. It was a throwaway thing in a comics strip, and other feminists picked it up and made it into a dogma. But the underlying idea is constructive, I find.

MS2020 wrote:

... in the USA movies almost NEVER get an adult's only rating for violence alone. It's been that way since the 70s when the X Rating was co-oped by the expanding pornography business. Newspapers refused to carry anything with an X Rating after a while and theaters refused to book them because it became synonymous with porn and it has been ever since. It's often been joked that is you have someone kiss the nipple it's X-Rated but it they cut off the nipple it's R-rated.

Ah, yes but I find that is bending what I wrote a bit much. When the X and other letters were introduced in Nov. of 1968 "X" meant exactly what I wrote. And "on paper" it still does, even though unfolding events with advertising in newspapers etc turned out just as you describe them, and people now in their minds equal X with porn. Where I live we simply have age restrictions but influenced by the USA, almost everything is now tagged so that you'll almost know the movie before having seen it, like all the abundant telling trailers: "Pride" "Strong drama" "Mild language" "Romance" "French" "LGBTQ" "Mild violence" "Explicit sex" and so on.

As film critic Jason Bailey has written: for a brief period in the late ’60s and early ’70s, this honest-to-goodness adult rating not only worked, but thrived. “Our first objective of classification,” MPAA president Jack Valenti explained in 1968, “is to free the film maker, to loosen the artistic fetters around his ankles in segregating pictures.”

MS2020 wrote:

The creation of the NC-17 Rating to replace the dreaded X in 1990 was supposed to solve this problem (Henry & June was the first movie with the rating if you're curious). It didn't work.

Right, it didn't work. I'm thinking of David Cronenberg's Crash which was released as both NC-17 and R. It was a tricky situation, but it showed that NC-17s were shunned as X. Americans still have a problem with nudity, not with violence, which is a major drawback to any so-called civilized culture adhering to such ideals. I think it should be the other way around.

MS2020 wrote:

Not brilliant by any means, but I really can't see why anyone would call it 'destructive.'

If we go to what Siskel & Ebert find bad influence on youth (destructive or detrimental to culture), I think it's clear to see why this would apply to Just One of the Guys, since it’s to them whom you refer.

Being lazy, I can cut and paste chosen words on this destructiveness from off IMDB audience reviews, rather than re-watch the film myself, (which is in my dvd collection):

”Just a bunch of jerks this girl had surrounding her and she's trying to win a writing competition.”

and

”the messages are misfires with all the blatant sexism, homophobia and pedophilia and the acting and sets make me wonder how this high school production made it to theatres. Since, mercifully, we've come a long way from this, it's not really the nostalgia I'd like to remember.”

Then there’s Terry’s little brother Buddy with his many beautiful images of naked women on the walls of his room, while expressively showing his disrespect for anything female, just to name one passage which starts out Terry’s quest for gaining respect as a human being, for the better part of the film by dressing like a boy and mimicking their behaviour.

The Siskel & Ebert presentation was done in 1983, and I think we could possibly agree on what they perhaps would have to say about Just One of the Boys, if they had done their show a couple of years later. If you disagree, I wonder what you yourself think of Siskel & Ebert’s presentation, and about the movies they discuss. Unless I misread you – in which case I already now want to apologize! – you seem to agree with them in their criticizm of the ’sexist’ movies during the bulk of their show, and also with their appreciation of the not so sexist films towards the end of it.

But this is not clear to me. So, which of those movies shaped your view on love, on relationships with your potential love interests, and do you respond to them differently today?

MS2020 · 11-08-22 23:02:10

Fredrikali wrote:

The Siskel & Ebert presentation was done in 1983, and I think we could possibly agree on what they perhaps would have to say about Just One of the Boys, if they had done their show a couple of years later. If you disagree, I wonder what you yourself think of Siskel & Ebert’s presentation, and about the movies they discuss. Unless I misread you – in which case I already now want to apologize! – you seem to agree with them in their criticizm of the ’sexist’ movies during the bulk of their show, and also with their appreciation of the not so sexist films towards the end of it.
But this is not clear to me. So, which of those movies shaped your view on love, on relationships with your potential love interests, and do you respond to them differently today?

As I tried to say in my first post, arguments about certain trends and tropes in movies can't properly represent the contents of specific movies. I do agree with their general argument, but I can't assume to agree that each particular film they describe is accurately represented without having seem them myself. Frankly you can't even assume they'd even agree with each other.

Part of the fun of this series was never no knowing for sure what kind of review either would give. I can't say I've found anything about Just One of the Guys, but you might think Weird Science from that same year would get a mutual bashing. That didn't happen. Roger thought it was funny, reflective of how teenagers really talk, and liked that the artificial women actually grow a mind of her own who teaches the boy's a lesson. Gene thought the premise while sexist was still clever, but felt the sheer amount of toilet humor ruined it. He also thought it would have been more fun if she'd remain a fantasy device that got so out of control and they had learn that lesson for themselves.

The problem that you have with these kind of arguments is that it's not a simple question what makes a movie even good. Let alone feminist or misogynist. One can kind find feminist, misogynist, and critical of feminist sentiments in the same film. It's a little too easy for one view to be dismissed "too sensitive" and another to be blasted as "not getting it." It's funny that Roger accused Gene of sounding like a parents council member in the Weird Science review and two years later in the argument over Eddie Murphy: Raw (Gene liked it, Roger didn't) the charges of prudishness versus immaturity were reversed.

As to me personally, I try to always consider intentions and context. It's rare that I would up seeing something I find terribly stupid or offensive. Because I can usual tell from advertising and multiple synopsizes if it's bound to affect me that badly. It's hard for me to hate most thing that are just mediocre. Even bad movies can still have fleeting moments of quality.

When I was a teenage movie geek (which actually sound like a fun movie title) my standards were more strict. I was seeking out whatever were established classics to be more informed about how standards of art had changed over times. So most of the movies I rented were older movies without much sexual content/focus except when they were foreign.

*This is already getting rather long. So I'll continue in the next post.

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MS2020 · 11-08-22 23:41:56

One of the earliest films I that did see deal with teenage sexuality really well was Splendor in the Grass. Staring Natalie Wood and a young Warren Beatty from 1961. I do so sexuality, not sex. This drama serious little about a love affair broking apart by parental expectations that was seriously engaging in the way it dealt with subjects movie of that day rarely addressed. Things like the double standard, unfulfilled longing and depression. That was made set in the rural twenties made it feel all the more ahead of it's time.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055471/

Another very special movie I saw at that time about young love and desire was Flirting. An Australian film with Thandie Newton, Noah Taylor and a young Nicole Kidman from 1991. Also dealing with generational conflict, though it doesn't get so heavy. Still some sad and somber moments, but mostly a light hearted take one this awkward period of development. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0101898/

I've heard it argued that America may be the only country that real has a concept of "teen films." That other countries that really market stories about teenagers for teenagers. So the way these kind of stories are told in other countries is much more likely to break the mold. I don't if that's entirely true, but it does say something about how genre limit are expectation when in comes to different kind of stories.

Because while I enjoy a lot of high school movies and series (even some of the sillier ones) I don't like the concept of teen film. When I think of genre I think tone, theme, or setting. Not the lead characters age. I feel the same away about the concept of black film, women's film or LGBTQ film. I find it stigmatizing and limiting. I understand why that kind of marking exists, but it just comes off weren't not supposed to relate to stories unless the characters are like us in some way.

Of course are own backgrounds and experiences are going to influence how were judge stories and what we're going to be drawn to, but that's why it's beneficial to have different kind of stories available. Not just in movie themselves, but also to hear about different experiences other people have had with the movies that impacted them. Which is why I'd like to take this topic back to something I've been wanting to find when I first thought of it.

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MS2020 · 13-08-22 15:55:53

Right now it's just been two guys going back on forth. I'd like to read more from some of the women on this site. Especially regular contributors like Mew, Redbird, or Viva. Do you remember what reaction you had to the way teenage sex, relationship, romance was portrayed in film, Television, Manga etc? Was there anything that troubled you about the way boys treated girls or gendered expectations? Did any of this shape your own self-image or personal relationships? These are just some of the questions that I have. Maybe I should separate them into columns later.

_redbird_ · 16-08-22 04:44:21

MS2020 wrote:

Right now it's just been two guys going back on forth. I'd like to read more from some of the women on this site. Especially regular contributors like Mew, Redbird, or Viva. Do you remember what reaction you had to the way teenage sex, relationship, romance was portrayed in film, Television, Manga etc? Was there anything that troubled you about the way boys treated girls or gendered expectations? Did any of this shape your own self-image or personal relationships? These are just some of the questions that I have. Maybe I should separate them into columns later.

Something I noticed being a teen during the late 90's/early 2000's resurgence of teen comedies is that the ones targeted towards boys were sex comedies and the ones for girls were always romantic comedies, which in itself says a lot. When I was around the ages of 8-10 I saw a few 80's sex comedies with my friend (Porky's and Revenge of the Nerds are the ones that first come to mind) and while I was intrigued by the occasional nudity and found some scenes and characters funny, the concept of the "must get laid" premise never really interested me that much, and certainly upon re-watching these films they are undeniably offensive and problematic as fuck in most instances.

American Pie came out when I was 15 and I really liked it the first time I saw it (and then very quickly grew tired of it after it was played at every single house of any friend or acquaintance roughly my age at the time...) but I genuinely liked that they showed that the four male leads all have different motivations and feelings towards losing their virginity, which gave the movie a little bit more depth than other teen sex comedies, and I also appreciate that the women in those films are a bit more interesting too. It felt ever so slightly more inclusive towards girls as well compared to other films similar to it. It's still incredibly problematic and offensive in most instances, but I noticed and appreciated that it at least attempted a bit of plot and character depth rather than just be a paint by numbers "horny boiz gotta get peepee wet and all the girls are vapid idiots" movie. When I first saw American Pie (and other teen comedies around this time) I was in a relationship with a really lovely guy who thankfully for the most part had positive attitudes towards women.

Personally though, these movies didn't really shape how I felt towards sex and gender expectations any more than just witnessing it firsthand did. I was already pretty disturbed and disgusted how people would talk to and about girls at school, and because I went to a really rough high school it was generally even worse than what's depicted in films, so if anything these movies kind of just confirmed some sad realities I already knew. Having said that, a movie I DID really love and appreciate (and still do) was But I'm a Cheerleader. It was the very first teen queer comedy I'd ever seen, and its unapologetically sweet and romantic ending was so beautiful to see. I had come out as bisexual to my friend group a year earlier, after which only 2 out of the 5 of them had responded positively and remained being friends with me, so it was really comforting to see queer teens find love and acceptance on screen like this.

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MS2020 · 23-08-22 22:25:37

_redbird_ wrote:

Something I noticed being a teen during the late 90's/early 2000's resurgence of teen comedies is that the ones targeted towards boys were sex comedies and the ones for girls were always romantic comedies, which in itself says a lot.

It really does. The underlying assumptions reinforced are the boys can't be emotional and girls don't get horny. Hard to say how much has changed since then, but I have noticed some better variations on formula. The Spectacular Know being a romance with a male lead. While Booksmart gave us a female buddy comedy where do they were both openly sexual in different ways.

I would have responded earlier, but was having some trouble organizing my thoughts and also hoped some other might contribute. Maybe I'll add more later.

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Norway_man · 26-08-22 19:05:44

My teens was in the mid/late 70s and early 80s (before VCR). I lived in Scandinavia which had a rather open attitude to teen sexuality in that period. There were several rather raunchy books aimed at young teens, often with strong female roles and emotional dilemmas as well. When I was 11-12 I remember our teacher had to make queue list for those books at the school library. Today I feel lucky that I got that, very good, introduction to sexuality and lust. I can imagine what young people today find on internet and show each other when no adults are present.

I cannot remember particular movies that shaped my view on sexuality (we had 15 years as the highest age limit, which mainly was applied to violence and to a lesser extent sex). But I guess they did. But I watched rather few movies before 15. At 16, a teacher organized a film club at school that showed a decent collection of movies that also touched sexuality, Fellini (Amarcord and Satyricon), Makavejev (Sweet Movie), Powel (Peeping Tom), Antonioni (Blow-up), Bunuel (Belle de jour), Fosse (Caberet), Cavani (The Nightporter) and some early Bergman. I think I got a rather wide display of different aspects of sexuality from those movies.

More conventional movies I saw in my teens that also touched sexuality was "Hair", "The rocky horror show", "Picnic at hanging rock" (which I saw as a scary horror movie), "Pretty Baby", "Grease", "the marriage of Maria Brown".

Not too many "teenage movies with sex theme" among them, but I cannot recall I saw many of those. I very early got into a rather "adult" movie preference. Many of "teenage movies" at the time was regarded as "childish". For comedy monty python reigned.

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