#1 27-04-22 05:01:55

richard

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Abby Winters

As many of you would know, AW are friends of ours, and we recommend contributors to each other.  I know some of you are, or have been members there - interested to hear a comparison.  What do they do better than us?  And vice versa.  They have a lot more content going up each week, is that important? What about their site nav, do you find it easy?

troyforyou

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More content is always nice but  at what price.  The shoots are very cookie cutter and in the end, I do not watch much

Hangdog90

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More content is always nice but  at what price.  The shoots are very cookie cutter and in the end, I do not watch much

I need to use the site a bit more to comment, but my initial reaction is not very user friendly. There's an annoying default to random scenes, for example, when most would default to latest.

I much prefer the simpler look and feel of IFM.

I'm not a big fan of the visuals on AW either, it feels like they go out of their way to create a stereotypical "geeky college lesbian in loose, bright garish clothes" look, complete with cluttered bedrooms and living rooms. 

The sex between girls is often hot and feels authentic once it gets going.

I find the Boy / Girl content a little jarring but that's probably because the preference here is focusing on the vulva and female pleasure. I do like interactions that feel like they are between real couples and watched one especially hot one with a couple that do yoga and like to fuck energetically in their gym.

Overall I am much more of a fan of IFM and the fact that so many shoots achieve, at least for me, a very high standard. By that I'm not necessarily speaking about anything other than the feeling I get. If AW is prose, IFM is poetry.

A good example of this, is the most recent outdoor shoot is Juniper A in Sing Out 1.

That did use actual lines of poetry in the written intro, but the scene itself was the real poem. It was just so gorgeous! The light, the flowers, the grass, the birdsong, and of course the beautful Juniper and her self-pleasuring.

It all conjured an impressionist painting.

I watched enchanted, imagining that Juniper was a French country girl back in 1887, pleasuring herself in a meadow, while behind us over a hill, Camille Pissarro was capturing the peasants collecting hay in the fields of Éragny. He was making one of the great paintings that day, yet he was unaware of the true beauty available to be captured, had he known about Juniper and her penchant for masturbation in the meadow.

it doesn't get better than that, it is beyond eroticism, to pure beauty.

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redsol88

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Re: Abby Winters

I used to subscribe to AW years ago and I do enjoy the crossovers with their models and IFM. I would admit, though, that I find their website to be a bit obtuse as far as navigation goes. I'm a big fan of pee content, for example, and I find it perhaps more difficult than necessary to find what I'm looking for on AW. While more content more often is great, if you can't find it, it's more of a hassle and takes away from the mood. I like IFM's simplicity for that.

Hangdog90

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I used to subscribe to AW years ago and I do enjoy the crossovers with their models and IFM. I would admit, though, that I find their website to be a bit obtuse as far as navigation goes. I'm a big fan of pee content, for example, and I find it perhaps more difficult than necessary to find what I'm looking for on AW. While more content more often is great, if you can't find it, it's more of a hassle and takes away from the mood. I like IFM's simplicity for that.

That's a great comment. You find the Pee content and then you have to look to find the video as the emphasis always is on stills, which is bizarre.

smoothed

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the way I see it, AW is "reality tv", IFM is art. Nothing wrong or right about either, but it's a different sort of craft that goes into making either one work well. Perhaps a middle ground is something that Xconfessions tries to do.

One major divergence is that AW no longer is based in Aussieland, which means the sensibilities of the contributors has shifted. AW is now more diverse in that it draws contributors from across Europe, although it has started cross-pollinating somewhat with Ersties' pool of ladies.

IFM is distinctively Australian, in look and sound and sensibility. I have always treasured this sort of singularity here.

drado1337

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I have had long time on and off subscriptions to both AW and IFM. (10+ years)

My take is that AW is better than most mainstream porn sites but its heyday was in the mid/late 2000's. It just seemed more authentic, relatable, and intimate then. Since it moved from Australia it just seems a bit more, I don't know - "professional" but not in the good way.

IFM on the other hand has been unwavering in its quality and sense of intimacy. A subscription to IFM is way better than subscribing to AW Intimate Moments in terms of update frequency and enjoyability. For couples shoots, nothing that AW IM as put out lately holds a candle to IFM Friends. The best AW Intimate Moments shoots, the ones that seem natural and actually *intimate* are a decade+ old and lower resolution. Maybe AW needs to get into restorations?

The advantage AW had over IFM for the longest time was tags, but now that IFM has them I don't see myself resubscribing to AW unless they start doing HD re-relases of older content.

My IFM highlighr is couples/group shoots, which while less frequent than on AW, are way better on IFM. IFM girl/girl or group masturbation sessions really show that the ladies enjoy what they are doing and are turned on by it instead of just going through the motions. Not that every AW DIM is like that but it definitely became a trend I started t notice.

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Hangdog90

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I have had long time on and off subscriptions to both AW and IFM. (10+ years)

My take is that AW is better than most mainstream porn sites but its heyday was in the mid/late 2000's. It just seemed more authentic, relatable, and intimate then. Since it moved from Australia it just seems a bit more, I don't know - "professional" but not in the good way.

IFM on the other hand has been unwavering in its quality and sense of intimacy. A subscription to IFM is way better than subscribing to AW Intimate Moments in terms of update frequency and enjoyability. For couples shoots, nothing that AW IM as put out lately holds a candle to IFM Friends. The best AW Intimate Moments shoots, the ones that seem natural and actually *intimate* are a decade+ old and lower resolution. Maybe AW needs to get into restorations?

The advantage AW had over IFM for the longest time was tags, but now that IFM has them I don't see myself resubscribing to AW unless they start doing HD re-relases of older content.

My IFM highlighr is couples/group shoots, which while less frequent than on AW, are way better on IFM. IFM girl/girl or group masturbation sessions really show that the modes enjoy what they are doing and are turned on by it instead of just going through the motions. Not that every AW DIM is like that but it definitely became a trend I started t notice.

That's a great summary.

drado1337

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the way I see it, AW is "reality tv", IFM is art.

I think you nailed it. IFM and AW are porn and like all porn is a form of performance and therefore "fake" to a degree. The difference between AW and IFM I find is that IFM can present erotic fantasy in a way that is both elevated and yet down to earth and therefore is more intimate and enjoyable. It kind of hard to describe without doing shoot for shoot comparisons between the two sites. Like compare "LTR" to anything AW IM has put out, it's a whole different experience.

When I subscribed to AW IM I got excited for a shoot maybe once a month or longer? IFM is mind blowing every week. Sure you could pay extra to subscribe to AW G/G Solo and Couples but why?

On the topic of websites with shared contributors I have unsubscribed from in favor of IFM - there are two sites which I won't mention as I don't want to give them free advertising. Both websites are masturbation/orgasm focused and both started reposting old content. Not remastered, just changing the dates on 6 year old videos and presenting them as new or "lost." One of the sites started taking content from porn aggregate sites and re-uploading it, watermarks and all, likely without the permission of the original owner. I got a seriously sleazy vibe from that site so I moved on.

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xtian1995

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Completely agree with Drado1337's point above:

"My take is that AW is better than most mainstream porn sites but its heyday was in the mid/late 2000's. It just seemed more authentic, relatable, and intimate then."

I think there was even a point maybe 1-2 years ago when I much preferred AW's content, compared to what they're putting out now. Maybe that's just because the model cohort has changed a bit in the last year or two... but no doubt, it would be a huge draw if they started doing high quality restorations of old material!

With all that said, I think there's something really nice in the deliberate ordinariness of AW's content (not ordinary in quality, but the kind of ordinary aesthetic they go for). And I like that they put some serious time and effort into images, which they do amazingly well. Sometimes I think their photo-albums are better than the video material. There's a certain beauty and eroticism in still images that video will never quite match!

One other point - a commenter above noted AW's default to random scenes when scrolling through the catalogue... I actually really like the option of having that random setting - I always found it really great for finding hidden gems and older material that you may not otherwise come across. It also helps break down the broader trends in content that all these sites go through, depending on the models and producers, etc, they have working for them at any given time... I think having all that material collapsed into a randomised selection really helps break the monotony and highlight the quirks of different shoots. I personally think it'd be great if IFM developed a randomised viewing option!

richard

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On the topic of websites with shared contributors I have unsubscribed from in favor of IFM - there are two sites which I won't mention as I don't want to give them free advertising. Both websites are masturbation/orgasm focused and both started reposting old content. Not remastered, just changing the dates on 6 year old videos and presenting them as new or "lost." One of the sites started taking content from porn aggregate sites and re-uploading it, watermarks and all, likely without the permission of the original owner. I got a seriously sleazy vibe from that site so I moved on.

Could you name them, and I'll redact it?  Just curious if it's who I'm thinking it might be.

It was tough for all of us through Covid and some sites had more reserves than others.  IFM had plenty, fortunately.  Things aren't even close to being back to normal though, and we don't even fully understand why participation is still relatively low.

troyforyou

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participation as in contributors?

drado1337

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On the topic of websites with shared contributors I have unsubscribed from in favor of IFM - there are two sites which I won't mention as I don't want to give them free advertising. Both websites are masturbation/orgasm focused and both started reposting old content. Not remastered, just changing the dates on 6 year old videos and presenting them as new or "lost." One of the sites started taking content from porn aggregate sites and re-uploading it, watermarks and all, likely without the permission of the original owner. I got a seriously sleazy vibe from that site so I moved on.

Could you name them, and I'll redact it?  Just curious if it's who I'm thinking it might be.

It was tough for all of us through Covid and some sites had more reserves than others.  IFM had plenty, fortunately.  Things aren't even close to being back to normal though, and we don't even fully understand why participation is still relatively low.

Yanks.com and The-Female-Orgasm.com.  If Yanks fell on hard times and ran out of content then I don't hold anything against them. I don't claim to know what goes on in the business, but I get a seriously sketchy vibe from TFO, especially considering one of their affiliated sites showcases videos of their cameraman having sex with their contributors. I do not get the same sense of ethical conscientiousness from TFO that I do from IFM. Uploading videos from XHamster, which is a pretty dubious site for revenge porn/IP infringeent to begin with, was the last straw for me.

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richard

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Ok yes it's frustrating that Yanks get consistently rated higher than us on review sites.  The guy who owns it seems like a good guy, I've traded emails with him, but their production values aren't very high - but their marketing is very strong.  For a while they were buying content from a Melbourne videographer who has inside knowledge of IFM because she's also a former contributor.  That's why you'll see some familiar Australians there, and it's interesting to compare their IFM and Yanks videos.

drado1337

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Ok yes it's frustrating that Yanks get consistently rated higher than us on review sites.  The guy who owns it seems like a good guy, I've traded emails with him, but their production values aren't very high - but their marketing is very strong.  For a while they were buying content from a Melbourne videographer who has inside knowledge of IFM because she's also a former contributor.  That's why you'll see some familiar Australians there, and it's interesting to compare their IFM and Yanks videos.

Kinda like AW, Yanks had a peak years ago. Now it seems to mostly coast on reposted content. I have no idea how they could get higher ratings than IFM when their "new" 2022 videos are at least four years old.

The best Yanks videos were ones that reminded me of IFM, at which point I figured why not just switch to IFM and stop paying for the recycled Yanks content that contributors probably aren't getting compensated from anyway?

I think TFO is a UK production, I've seen one or two comon contributors with AW but I think for the most part it is unaffiliated with Feck.

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ThatIndividual

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I actually think these sites could benefit from listing links to profiles of models across sites. You’re more complimentary goods than substitutes I think. I definitely prefer IFM content.

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I'm in a groupchat with other hairy girls and we were discussing our experiences shooting with AW the other day and oh boy! We were pissed! Although I've met many cool shoot producers and made friends through AW, their 'content paradigm' makes me a little angry. Specifically the clothing guidelines. I'm sorry, but we're grown ass women, we don't need to be wearing cutesy clumsy colorful clothes all the time. I get a very anxious feeling as though they're catering to a specific age play fetish, if you know what I mean. It weirds me out.
Also I've noticed how ANY girl looks worse in AW shoots than in real life. I don't know what it is though. Any girl on IFM - I'm in love and immensely inspired by!

Hangdog90

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I'm in a groupchat with other hairy girls and we were discussing our experiences shooting with AW the other day and oh boy! We were pissed! Although I've met many cool shoot producers and made friends through AW, their 'content paradigm' makes me a little angry. Specifically the clothing guidelines. I'm sorry, but we're grown ass women, we don't need to be wearing cutesy clumsy colorful clothes all the time. I get a very anxious feeling as though they're catering to a specific age play fetish, if you know what I mean. It weirds me out.
Also I've noticed how ANY girl looks worse in AW shoots than in real life. I don't know what it is though. Any girl on IFM - I'm in love and immensely inspired by!

Never having been to Australia, when I watched these AW shoots years ago, I thought it was just  that Ausie women had some kind of weird dress sense.

My only reassuring counterbalance was Kylie Minogue.

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acbarebear

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I'm a long time and happy subscriber to both.

I like IFM because the masturbation videos are:
. Well filmed and the right angles
. Artistic, beautiful
. Just the right length for a masturbation scene
. Varied (although I do prefer the home made and fantasy to studio videos. I would love it if "studio" videos became "location" videos instead of just a bed and plain sheet). ie- they can all take place in the same apartment, but some kitchen, some bedroom, some lounge, some shower etc...
. Educational / informative (I have learnt so much from these videos)
. The bios are more informative

I also enjoy the profile video / video diaries and other bits and pieces.

I like AW because:
. The picture galleries (I often use these as my computer wallpaper)
. The solo videos really give a behind the scenes of the model. Sometimes half an hour of yoga or just telling how their day was
. The Girl Girl videos tend to be longer, more talking, more scene development, and not just a "masturbation snippet"

Historically I have subscribed to AW for the Solo videos, Pictures and Girl Girl / DIM content. And then separately IFM for the masturbation videos (AW's tend to be a static fly on the wall camera).

It's great that the two sites are talking to one another and share contributers. If possible, I would love it if both sites can tag a contributor (ie- IFM has an AW tag and AW has an IFM tag). I have spent too much time trying to work it out for myself.

What can IFM do more / differently?
. Picture galleries (I am aware of ISM but self shot galleries aren't the same)
. More "get to know the model" / "day in the life of the model" videos
. Instead of rehashing old content (reissues and restorations), perhaps more behind the scenes, bonus videos, unseen footage, making of videos

From a navigation point of view, when you click on a model you can see the profile with links to picture galleries, masturbation videos and extras.

Just a few ideas and none make or break. I'll be here for a while

richard

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I'm a long time and happy subscriber to both.

I like IFM because the masturbation videos are:
. Well filmed and the right angles
. Artistic, beautiful
. Just the right length for a masturbation scene
. Varied (although I do prefer the home made and fantasy to studio videos. I would love it if "studio" videos became "location" videos instead of just a bed and plain sheet). ie- they can all take place in the same apartment, but some kitchen, some bedroom, some lounge, some shower etc...
. Educational / informative (I have learnt so much from these videos)
. The bios are more informative

I also enjoy the profile video / video diaries and other bits and pieces.

I like AW because:
. The picture galleries (I often use these as my computer wallpaper)
. The solo videos really give a behind the scenes of the model. Sometimes half an hour of yoga or just telling how their day was
. The Girl Girl videos tend to be longer, more talking, more scene development, and not just a "masturbation snippet"

Historically I have subscribed to AW for the Solo videos, Pictures and Girl Girl / DIM content. And then separately IFM for the masturbation videos (AW's tend to be a static fly on the wall camera).

It's great that the two sites are talking to one another and share contributers. If possible, I would love it if both sites can tag a contributor (ie- IFM has an AW tag and AW has an IFM tag). I have spent too much time trying to work it out for myself.

What can IFM do more / differently?
. Picture galleries (I am aware of ISM but self shot galleries aren't the same)
. More "get to know the model" / "day in the life of the model" videos
. Instead of rehashing old content (reissues and restorations), perhaps more behind the scenes, bonus videos, unseen footage, making of videos

From a navigation point of view, when you click on a model you can see the profile with links to picture galleries, masturbation videos and extras.

Just a few ideas and none make or break. I'll be here for a while

Photo galleries are coming to IFM very soon!

re: the studio - we use it because you can get the best sound and more angles.  Couldn't do that in a domestic situation.  There's 6-7 cameras in the studio and 1-3 in other shoots.

azrael74

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I subscribed to AW for ONE month. The women are pretty enough but there were a few things I hated.
They'd split a scene into various videos. I don't like having to move to the next video. I prefer one longer video.
The Sound editing is horrendous. Too much background noise, the sound mastering is terrible.
The interface was really bad.
finally TRIPOD! Tripods are your friend...so many handheld videos on AW.

johnoneill2023

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I subscribed for years but I felt it lost its magic and charm when it stopped being based in Australia. All of the contributors were (and I am sure still are) superb and lovely after the move but the vibe wasn't the same for me.

One thing that caused me to cancel the subscription (about 10 years ago now so maybe things have changed) is that they seemed to have this thing about not showing tattoos. I was watching videos and the contributors were wearing elastoplast plasters to cover them and videos were being filmed from strange angles and badly editted to hide them.

As I say, I haven't subscribed for 10 years so maybe they have changed that.

John.

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Re: Abby Winters

The tag system on IFM is not specific enough. For example Juniper_A has eye rolling shaking orgasms. A thing users will kill for. But if you see her in a list of other models you will not see that. AW has a list with specific things which make it easier for users to find their fetish. But their list system is also not working well right now.

al3xand3r5

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And like the tag Visible Wetness

It can mean:
Wet (Clear)
Creamy (White)
Wet Sounds
Queefing

Hangdog90

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The tag system on IFM is not specific enough. For example Juniper_A has eye rolling shaking orgasms. A thing users will kill for. But if you see her in a list of other models you will not see that. AW has a list with specific things which make it easier for users to find their fetish. But their list system is also not working well right now.

Thr tag system is quite a recent development and has provided a major improvement in searchability. Of course no system is perfect and compromises are inevitable.

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