Studio lighting!

polarchill · 23-11-06 09:14:44

Egnops wrote:

Actually, from the sites........and there are many.....of which my firm has been researching, the one thing that does make this a bit more "unusual" (and not exclusively that from other sites) is the forums, themselves. Not the videos.
There have been other sites that had as good quality videos that just didn't have the forum format available. But it's the forums that we seek as well as the videos for our project. Human sexuality. What we're looking for is not just performance. But the mindset of people regarding sexuality, what motivates them, what stimulates them, etc. The forums help us in what we're looking for more than anything.

Okay, my mental brakes just slammed to a halt. So . . . this is "professional research", and the first thing the "researcher" did was come in and tell the subjects what his own personal conclusion was regarding the material. This, of course, would completely skew any future data he might gather from the forum, and would also imply that the "researcher" has either not heard of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle, or has chosen to completely ignore any real-life applications of it.

Is mine the only bull***t detector that just went off?

Egnops · 23-11-06 09:22:28

Polarchill.......actually, I stated that this is porn no matter how you look at it. By definition.........it's porn. That is not simply a personal opinion. That is a fact. Quantum mechanics, aside.

It doesn't really matter what you believe regarding my purpose here. Your "bullshit detector" is defective.

Try changing the batteries....~S~

polarchill · 23-11-06 12:07:44

Egnops wrote:

Polarchill.......actually, I stated that this is porn no matter how you look at it. By definition.........it's porn. That is not simply a personal opinion. That is a fact. Quantum mechanics, aside.

It doesn't really matter what you believe regarding my purpose here. Your "bullshit detector" is defective.

Try changing the batteries....~S~

Yep, definitely a researcher. Open-minded, eager to stand back and not interfere with the process that he is observing. Certainly not trolling. Not a chance.

Egnops · 23-11-06 17:40:24

Trolling?

I don't see that I have interfered with a thing. ~S~ The videos are still rolling. You're still posting.

Egnops · 23-11-06 17:53:05

How does lighting affect you during sex?

Does it have the same effect on you during non-sexual moments?

polarchill · 23-11-06 22:54:19

Egnops wrote:

Trolling?
I don't see that I have interfered with a thing.

. . . he said with an innocent Rush Limbaughesque smile.

Of course not. My mistake. It was actually a great service that you have done, having come in and defined for us pornography, an area that until this moment has been so gray that even the U.S. Supreme Court refuses to take a solid position on it, instead choosing to force individual (and no more qualified) communities to set the dividing line between that which is erotic and that which is obscene.

I did do you one disservice, however, in assuming that you are a troll posing as a researcher, when it is equally possible that you are simply a researcher with pre-conceived notions, which is to say a researcher who is very bad at his job.

Egnops wrote:

~S~ The videos are still rolling. You're still posting.

Perhaps, but not posting in response to you, from this point forward. The Bull***t Meter has now given way to an all-out Troll Alert. As far as I'm concerned, it would be a waste of time for anyone to encourage your attempts to stir up trouble (as opposed to legitimate debate, which was quite healthy here long before your arrival).

msnevil · 23-11-06 23:38:51

polarchill wrote:

, when it is equally possible that you are simply a researcher with pre-conceived notions, which is to say a researcher who is very bad at his job.

We all have pre-conceived notions polarchill. Though I think you are right in questioning the veracity of his research skills. Especially after he ruined his test subjects with your pre-conceived ideas. (And most people don't like to be test subjects by default. Without prior knowledge of the testing be done.)

Of course, Any test parameters are distorted by the pre-conceived notions of the left\right mindset. And poll results for exp. Can be altered by weighted test questions\ or given in a biased test area. Or even my parties "the world's smallest political test".

Of course, I wonder if Egnops is Burlesque in disguise? (joke)

monkey13 · 24-11-06 02:00:06

max wrote:

The only reason I don't call IFM porn is because so much other porn out there is shitful and I happen to think IFM is not shitful. I feel really good about the way we represent sexuality and I doubt I'd feel like that if I worked/contributed at say pussyinfloodlights.com (quote Gala) Fundamentally I agree with you IFM is porn, I disagree with you if your saying that porn can't also be erotica and art and political and empowering and feminist and other things. Is that what your saying? Most people I come into contact outside of the IFM world don't consider porn to be any of these things and so whenever I get asked what I do for a living I say I make erotica not porn. Do you somehow feel that the transaction of money somehow deminishes something about IFM?

Ialso think that most of the porn sites out there is shitty, but i personally am not interested in whether or not IFM is porn, erotica, art, politics, or a feminist manifesto. What I want is a quality stuff, and IFM to me is very close to it, except some minor "shortcomings."

I don't care much whether or not the people who run this site and those who contribute to it make money. $30 per month seems reasonable to me. I would be willing to pay more, say $50/m, should the site take up some of my requests.

ashmedi · 24-11-06 02:30:28

Egnops wrote:

. . . . .

Interesting name Egnops = Sponge

Arielle · 24-11-06 02:34:23

In my very humble opinion on this issue, which echoes some of what Max has already said, (but I feel compelled to add to this thread anyway) - take a moment to think what these girls are actually doing. They are offering you what has most likely been an intensely private and special moment in their lives, probably one seen by very few others. Its real, not scripted or acted and its something that they are doing (yes, for money) but also in the act of sharing. These girls aren't professional actors.

Can you imagine asking the girl next door to strip down and get on a bed with a camera poking right up her and bright lights illuminating every pore of her skin, then masturbate and not fake it?

As for viewing, I'm pretty familiar with what girl parts look like, which while endlessly fascinating for some people is not the sole function of IFM. Its called IFeelMyself, not InspectMyself. And while yes, they are feeling their girl parts, I think we can safely assume they are also feeling turned on, sexy, orgasmic and (safely) in control of the situation.

And while I'm here I'd also like to add that the lighting and the mystery is something that appeals to many women, (not just the ones making the videos) and it pleases me no end to know that we are doing something that caters very much to their tastes.

monkey13 · 24-11-06 02:55:35

max wrote:

Did it ever occur to you that the reason these women choose to contribute to our site is because they trust we wont show close ups of their vagina in floodlights. And um what is "cleanliness" supposed to mean?

I don't have much to say to those contributors who prefer shadows, but I noticed some of the IFM models who do their actions in shadow also appear in Abbywinters, where they freely expose their vagina in floodlights. One bad point of Abby is that most of the girls who masturbate there either fake, or are too genteel in, their orgasm. Many of the IFM models, whether in shadow or in daylight, do it real hard. That's good.

By the way, one merit of keeping vagina, etc. in shadow is that the viewers are saved from seeing what seem to me to be the signs of sluttiness/whorishness of the models, such as their darkened vagina lips (sign of overfucking and overmasturbating?) and ugly tattoos.

Aa, "cleanliness," besides physical cleanliness (i.e, taking shower everyday and keeping your body untatooed and unpierced), is a semblance of "virginity"--opposite of sluttiness, whorishness, jadedness.

Of course "virginity" is a metaphor for "cleanliness." While I certainly do not object, I don't expect a real virgin doing it on IFM. What I want is a semblance of "cleanliness"; i don't care much if the models are a whore inside.

Tattoos, injection marks (drugs), piercings (is this the word?) except earrings, thick make-up, dyed hair, shaved pussy, fake boobs--they all remind me of sluttiness and whorishness.

I even don't mind if the women don't shave their legs, not to mention their armpits.

ashmedi · 24-11-06 03:01:25

Monkey13:

I think you have problems, and I won't waste my time either reading or answering your posts.

IMHO you need help

Arielle · 24-11-06 03:11:03

Oh my god. I can't believe I read that. Not that I can't believe you posted it Monkey13, but that I actually subjected myself to reading all of it.

You think vagina lips become darkened because of overfucking / masturbating, which you consider to be a sign of whorishness or sluttiness? That is truly amazing. I mean that in the literal sense. I am honestly amazed that a person in this century could think something like that, and then actually post it for the world to see. I'm not even going to let my feelings be hurt by that comment (as that would be absurd). I'm also not going to bother wasting my effort on debating your other ludicrous statements about tattoos, cleanliness and virginity and 'being a whore inside' as you are obviously well beyond reason.

I actually would like to thank you for singling yourself out and showing the entire world what kind of person you really are. I'd like to put you under a glass bell in a museum so that everyone can see that people like you aren't just a myth told to frighten children.

I mean, seriously, please say that your last post is just a sick, hideous joke, as that is all I'm taking it to be.

monkey13 · 24-11-06 03:33:08

ISM_Office wrote:

take a moment to think what these girls are actually doing. They are offering you what has most likely been an intensely private and special moment in their lives, probably one seen by very few others. Its real, not scripted or acted and its something that they are doing (yes, for money) but also in the act of sharing. These girls aren't professional actors.
Can you imagine asking the girl next door to strip down and get on a bed with a camera poking right up her and bright lights illuminating every pore of her skin, then masturbate and not fake it?
As for viewing, I'm pretty familiar with what girl parts look like, which while endlessly fascinating for some people is not the sole function of IFM. Its called IFeelMyself, not InspectMyself. And while yes, they are feeling their girl parts, I think we can safely assume they are also feeling turned on, sexy, orgasmic and (safely) in control of the situation.
And while I'm here I'd also like to add that the lighting and the mystery is something that appeals to many women, (not just the ones making the videos)and it pleases me no end to know that we are doing something that caters very much to their tastes.

>what has most likely been an intensely private and special moment in their lives, probably one seen by very few others.

Why on earth then do they show it to the world in the first place? Because they want to share it with you out of kindness/friendship/love? I don't care much about their motives, but if they want to share it with others, then why don't they show it, rather than hiding it in shadows?

Ha ha ha. I'm just joking. I know what you mean.

>Its called IFeelMyself, not InspectMyself.
>the lighting and the mystery is something that appeals to many women,

I think I know what you mean. Not a mere sex object. An independent human being with individuality, autonomy, subjectivity, sense of control, empowerment, safety, comfortableness, mystery, art, etc. etc.

I think all these come from the so-called humanism, which in turn is closely connected with what is called truth.

Someone said: "Truth is an illusion without which a certain spieces of animal cannot live."

monkey13 · 24-11-06 03:56:34

ISM_Office wrote:

Oh my god. I can't believe I read that. Not that I can't believe you posted it Monkey13, but that I actually subjected myself to reading all of it.
You think vagina lips become darkened because of overfucking / masturbating, which you consider to be a sign of whorishness or sluttiness?
I actually would like to thank you for singling yourself out and showing the entire world what kind of person you really are.
I mean, seriously, please say that your last post is just a sick, hideous joke, as that is all I'm taking it to be.

>Oh my god. I can't believe I read that. Not that I can't believe you posted it Monkey13, but that I actually subjected myself to reading all of it.

Thank you Max for reading my post through.

>You think vagina lips become darkened because of overfucking / masturbating

Yes and no. I know (medical) doctors, for instace, say darkened vagina lips don't have much to do with sex. Even preteen virgins sometimes have them. But again I also think oversex will contribute to dakened vagina.

>I'd like to put you under a glass bell in a museum so that everyone can see that people like you aren't just a myth told to frighten children.

I like the glass bell image. It's cool.

>please say that your last post is just a sick, hideous joke, as that is all I'm taking it to be.

It's your prerogative to take it so, just like my distaste for tattoo is. No intention to offend those women with tattoos. Tattoo is their prerogative, but I personally do not find tattoos on female (not male) body attractive.

monkey13 · 24-11-06 04:09:34

monkey13 wrote:

Thank you Max for reading my post through.

Sorry, I made a mistake. Not Max, but ISM_Office.

Charly · 24-11-06 04:10:55

Can we please remove this guy? I find him deeply offensive, alarmingly creepy and don't wish to waste any more time reading such utter stupidity.

aven frey · 24-11-06 04:19:06

Yes thought about it Charly but he is so obviously fucked up and ridiculous, lets just laugh at him!
Hey Monkeyboy, have you not heard, WHORES ARE MAGIC, which means WHORISHNESS IS MAGICAL!! Go away, you suck.

ashmedi · 24-11-06 04:22:41

The best way to deal with him/her/it is to completely ignore them, don't respond or acknowledge the trolls in any way.

aven frey · 24-11-06 04:27:04

Yes I know Ashmedi but you know, I always liked to poke at ant nests, especially ones that piss me off!

Arielle · 24-11-06 04:31:31

You know Max, I'd like to laugh, but I kind of can't because I guess I had naively thought that people like Monkey13 had gone the way of the dinosaur. I'm not surprised that he is the way he is, as sadly for him he has obviously never loved a woman. If he had, he'd know that no amount of the joys of sex or masturbating would make her change colour, and nor would her colour determine her sluttishness. In some ways (most likely still naively) I hope he hangs around IFM and learns - most likely slowly - about real women and reality in general. In the mean time I suggest he stay away from "pre-teen vaginas", as I can cope with him being a revolting misogynist, but I can't handle the thought of him being a pedophile.

I'm happy that I'm heavily tattooed if for the sole reason it saves me from men like him, and I might just go get a few more to be safe.

msnevil · 24-11-06 04:35:30

Monkey13, I'm not going to stoop to character assassination.

But if you don't like the model. Don't Watch. Simple problem solved.

Insulting the model based on your preconceived morality. Is just absurd. And begs the question, Why the heck are you here?

And Welcome to the forum for Charly.

Hopefully there is better ways to encourage lurkers to post then this?

polarchill · 24-11-06 05:03:26

Wow, that tryptophan is something! For this much weirdness to have been posted while I was out, I MUST have been napping for at least three days!

I see everyone has the situation completely under control . . . could someone pick up the little pieces of monkey before you leave?

Oh, and ISM_O, if you do get another tattoo, might I suggest that it be a sheriff's badge? *chews on a piece of straw* You done cleaned up this saloon . . .

Seriously, though, do we need idiots posting just to draw you out of hiding? You should stop by more often. Is there too much work in the office, or should we just demand that Richard give you a raise? (the latest word is that we can change anything around here just by voting)

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ashmedi · 24-11-06 05:19:07

max wrote:

Yes I know Ashmedi but you know, I always liked to poke at ant nests, especially ones that piss me off!

Oh Max.
Once you have a few more years under your belt you'll come to realize it's just not worth the aggravation to poke the ant nests.
And you may come to realize that it is more satisfying to get a can of gas and a book of matches.

polarchill · 24-11-06 05:24:56

ISM_Office wrote:

You think vagina lips become darkened because of overfucking / masturbating, which you consider to be a sign of whorishness or sluttiness? That is truly amazing. I mean that in the literal sense. I am honestly amazed that a person in this century could think something like that, and then actually post it for the world to see . . .

Wait, I think he's onto something . . . Toward the end of my college days, I was dating a girl who had very dark vaginal lips, and she was having quite a bit of sex, with me, anyway. The last summer before she graduated, we went swimming in the quarries. Her sister came along, since summer vacation had hit both the University and the high schools by then. Her sister was 18, and according to my girlfriend, she hadn't messed around with guys that much. We all got a little drunk, and ended up skinny-dipping (as an adult, I don't actually encourage drunken swimming in quarries, but hey, youth).

Of course, there was a lot of horseplay, and at one point, I dunked beneath the water and pulled the girlfriend's sister under. Just before she kicked me in the face (very similar to what the girlfriend tried to do later that night, since she knew that, as a 22-year-old guy, I was just trying to get a close peek at another naked girl, ANY naked girl . . . did I mention I was a 22-year-old guy?) I remember thinking to myself that her young little lips looked all pink and innocent . . .

So, really, it was probably the fact that the younger sister had less sexual experience that made her vaginal lips . . . oh, wait, hold on, it could be the fact that Tonya, her older sister, was adopted and African-American. Come to think of it, the rest of her skin was darker as well. Okay, never mind.

What? Why is everyone glaring at me? *sniff* I don't know why I even bother sharing these stories with you . . .

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