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HollyWood

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Ethical porn - the modern minefield

So, in lovely Viva's absense I thought I might try to engage the forum goers in a little porny dialogue.

So firstly, here a few points that sum up ethical porn for me:

Porn that is made with the pleasure of the participants in mind and that is not dependant on the male gaze (e.g. cunnilingus shooting techniques that are focussed on 'vagina visibility' rather than actual pleasure). Questions to ask: how much comparitve time is spent on cunnilingus versus fellatio/dildo play? Are there any shots of the female's POV and does the camera focus on her face during moments of pleasure (as this is more primed for empathic engagement obvs).

Porn that allows the participants to have an active voice on set which determines the way things progress and the final product.
Porn that shows gender, ethnic, sexuality and body diversity (without the title of the film being 'Black Beauties', 'Asian Sluts', or 'Big Fat Black Freaks').

Less emphasis on the money-shot (male orgasm is not the end of the show).
Safe sex barriers in place (including but not confined to contraceptives; SHORT FINGERNAILS; body-safe, high quality and sterile toys e.g. silicone, metal, glass).

If the porn is BDSM orientated, it shows and sexualizes feminine desire and consent, negotiation and communication onscreen, e.g. Kink.com's pre/post scene interviews.

Company values, e.g. Are the performers paid in an fair fashion - is it dependant on alterior factors such as how good-looking/well-known they are?; Do they have contracts and treat their performers with respect?; Are performers encouraged to act out sex-scenes that actually appeal to them or are they just plonked into a role that suits production?; Do the performers have some say over the editing process too?; Are performers financially rewarded for any hardcore activity that requires more commitment and/or preparation?; Is safer sex encouraged rather than disregarded?

So, what does it mean to you and do you think that there is a difference between the ethics of porn consumption and porn production?

Holly xx

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

Good manifesto!! 

There are lots of people here who enjoy the site and are sexually inspired to the point of orgasm by it. Yay!!!! and who are gynosexual of both sexes, and for gynosexuals who own a cunt and anyone who owns a conscience, I would say your manifesto is the baseline for enjoying any porn.

Contrary to the stereotype of people in porn as victims, in Aus people who do work for Feck and make a bit of money or even work for or own it and make a living from porn don't have too. They're well capable of making money in other ways. I think there's a large element of choice. Even though it might not feel like it when you come into work and you have a schedule of work to complete, the basic choice  to be there on that path or to do a particular shoot (in comparison to all the other options including training for other things) is a free one.

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

Agree with all the above, with one caution - it's often not possible to know, from watching a video, whether real consent is given or real pleasure is experienced (sometimes not possible to know in real life too!).

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I don't mind if soneone can act an orgasm and do it so well you can't tell the difference, as long as we know behind the scenes their happy with their work and have the opportunity to orgasm for real if they want to. You can't tell peoplle to have a real orgasm but just give them the oportunity too.

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

To me the keyword is:respect.
Respect for the actors,but also to the viewer.
Not everyone is a mindless jerkoff who only wants to see gaping pussy's.
For me romantic settings,buildup of tension and if can be a good story(not necessery verbal) are a good erotic film's base.
IFM does that all,specially the lately produced diaries are a gasser to me.
Maybe something historical,for the future productions? I liked the one from Charlotte-V for instance.
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HollyWood

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

Thanks guys, I think respect and consent are essential too.

it's often not possible to know, from watching a video, whether real consent is given or real pleasure is experienced (sometimes not possible to know in real life too!).

I think that's completely untrue harcos. The way kink.com sexualizes and ensures consent is through a variety of safe AND warning words and they interview each submissive prior and post shooting to gage their feelings on how everything went down. IFM does it in a way that fleshes out the contributors in a way so that their personality can be seen (and ofcourse, when it comes to masturbation - there's clearly only one person there to give and act on their own consent). From a company perspective, IFM is also in constant dialogue with their contributors, ensuring that their needs are met and that they feel at home every step of the way. In a personal context, consent is essential and easily assertained by just asking "is this ok?" "do you like that?" and just general communication! As far as 'real pleasure' goes, maybe I'm biased because I'm a cisgendered female, but I can always tell what's real. Shortness of breath (often holding their breath), open mouth, unfocussed eyes - these are all signs of orgasm. But the surest way of knowing, in real life, is to keep communication open and constantly check in. When it comes to IFM, just take our word for it, real pleasure is eperienced.

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

I just wrote a huge post on porn - what i like to watch and what i support:

http://intoxannals.com/2012/08/07/my-porn/

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

Shortness of breath (often holding their breath), open mouth, unfocussed eyes - these are all signs of orgasm. But the surest way of knowing, in real life, is to keep communication open and constantly check in. When it comes to IFM, just take our word for it, real pleasure is eperienced.

I look for a flushing of the face toward the finish, (Not everyone has that occur.) Bulging veins on the neck and head,(Note the first installment of Jane_E's dairy) tightening of the tendons in the neck, small, rhythmic, spasms in the shoulders, arms and thighs and finally, consistency of the pattern and intensity of hand movement at orgasm. Look at different videos buy one certain contributor and the final movement right before climax is identical regardless of setting or position. Now that would be virtually impossible to fake given the fact that the muscle spasms are involuntary and they and the hand/arm movements are controlled by the irritation of the nerve endings.
Watch a number of Robyn's vids and you'll see what I mean. Or KitKat's, Magnolia's and Jane_E's. Impossible to replicate their individual orgasmic reaction were they not genuine.
Yes, I've studied them quite closely as that's our common goal. Not a lot of sense to watch a contributor masturbate for a few minutes and then turn on the telly.

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

Let me add that another way I judge the content of the videos and the site in general is the rapid response the forum posts get from the staff, Richard in particular. Any site that is that responsive publicly about, to and for the contributors and members is hardly going to allow "Smoke and Mirrors" when it comes to content.

"...ensuring that their needs are met and that they feel at home every step of the way. In a personal context, consent is essential and easily assertained by just asking "is this ok?" "do you like that?" and just general communication!"

You've got to give the contributor a setting in which they'll feel virtual freedom or it ain't gonna work.
Imagine a crew of people filming you on the loo. IFM to me is a class site and to cut corners is to risk their credibility and in an age of free porn, that would be the death knell for the site. IMO.
HollyWood, I'm a bit ignorant here but define, "Cisgendered" for me. I really have no clue.

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

I'm a bit ignorant here but define, "Cisgendered" for me. I really have no clue.

Welcome to the world of queer speak WLV612, CIS means born that way.

In the sense that I am a CISfemale...

what it actually stands for, i have no idea

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Yeah, If I was going to be rooooly PC - I would call myself a cisgendered (it's antonym being transgendered), DFAB (designated female at birth), dyadic (like the opposite of intersex), able-bodied, class privileged, white privileged heterosexual! (with a few queer leanings). haha. We don't always need to put that much emphasis on terminology though (i think, personally).

But yes, WLV612, nice description of the signs of orgasm! scintillating.

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Just on the topic of pc speech....

I find it hard to believe that there is much less inclusive language (or maybe less knowledge of the existence of it) around people with mental health issues. The gender queer world has the whole sex/gender/desire/class/ethnicity perspective covered, but i reckon there should be words to bring to light just how many people out there have a mental health history. What's with the omission? Where is the recognition of the differences in mental health? Surely that contributes as much to your place in the world, your persepctive as much as your socialised gender concepts...   just sayin' queer world, time to catch up!

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I feel like the whole thing is kind of restrictive - in that you have more and more words to describe what you are and what you aren't (creating divisions and degrees of separation). I feel like true equality and respect will happen when no one gives a shit! When no one even asks what someone else's sexual orientation/gender etc. is!

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

True, after all we're all us.

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WLV612

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

I'm a bit ignorant here but define, "Cisgendered" for me. I really have no clue.

Welcome to the world of queer speak WLV612, CIS means born that way.

In the sense that I am a CISfemale...

what it actually stands for, i have no idea

Thanks,
I have three very close transgender friends and was on a great Trans-friendly site for quite sometime and this is one term I never saw in all the forums or discussions. Good to know.

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The etymology on "cis," for anyone who is interested, is that it's a Latin prefix meaning "on the near side," and is the usual opposite to "trans" in Latin. The idea is that transgender people have made a journey and transition, while cisgendered people remain at their starting points.

WLV612

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

The etymology on "cis," for anyone who is interested, is that it's a Latin prefix meaning "on the near side," and is the usual opposite to "trans" in Latin. The idea is that transgender people have made a journey and transition, while cisgendered people remain at their starting points.

Thanks! Makes sense. My Latin's a bit rusty.

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Another reason is that it brings attention to the assumed 'norm' of cisgendering. So as opposed to 'trans' vs. 'normal' it unsettles peoples ideas of cisnormativity (like heteronormativity but gender rather than sexuality related).

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Re: Ethical porn - the modern minefield

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