The human libido is pansexual?

blissed · 25-08-11 16:04:02

I'm thinking that perhaps the human sexual libido is largely universal across both sexes, but we're born with some parts activated for us. The rest is still there waiting for us to discover. I have mostly gynosexual activation but I have androsexual activation too as a child, but to a smaller degree, and that part of me I've been discovering a bit more lately.

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viva · 25-08-11 18:20:26

Hey blissed, I was wondering if you'd mind talking a little bit about those terms - gyno and andro sexual - and how you use them as opposed to more common language. Thus far you are the only person I interact with regularly who seems tO truly idenify with these terms as opposed to using them only in specific circumstances.

As to your hypothesis I find it interesting, though I think that if we truly possess the potential to become sexually active for different genders and modes of sexuality as we go through life, I'd be really interested to know the experiences Of those who develop new fetishes. Can you imagine waking up one day and loving your shoe collection in an entirely new way?

blissed · 25-08-11 21:55:27

We probably don't all include a pre-existing attraction to shoes I expect we all have the potential to desire objects. I've got a fairly common desire for satin and silk. I haven't got any satin sheets but I can see why some people have.

I was thinking more about sexual orientation. I was looking at a fabulous video of a woman dancing, (it's been removed from youtube now)

and my libido was telling me I could fuck her or I could be her being fucked by a man or woman. All those feelings are good, though when I look in the mirror I'm male and as I'm aroused by being desired and like switching, her fucking me is a nice notion too. Yeah that we're all born with both sexual orientations is just a theory. and comes from my predominant libidic thoughts which are me fucking a woman and me as a woman being fucked. I have a total lack of proof My thoery is just based on the development of my own headspace really.

Anyway I think sexual labels can be useful but by their nature are non inclusive and imprecise and chop people up into separate groups. So I find using androsexual and gynosexual is a simple way of being inclusive and precise at the same time.

Androsexual includes everyone who desires men, it doesn't present some people with a big army of straightness they're not part of.

Women would love him

Androsexuals would love him is more truthful and precise and includes all GLBTQ. Oh Justine Bieber! androsexual dream!! so is Cary Grant . You see, it's casually inclusive

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jane_e · 29-08-11 04:39:55

blissed wrote:

Androsexual includes everyone who desires men, it doesn't present some people with a big army of straightness they're not part of.

Viva, so glad you asked for a definition. Though Blissed, you may want to reconsider quitting your day job and applying at the OED. Your knack for using, inventing, and defining words may not get the universal recognition other lexicographers of our time have enjoyed. Even after the explanation I had to Google. Strangely, only Urban Dictionary has any record of these words existing at all.

I'm not 100% sure I understand the theory, but seems like you are talking about two different things. The first, based on the definition, is that all people can desire both men and women. Hence, the soon to be coined term "pan" (Greek for all) sexual. The more interesting and somewhat undefined idea is illustrated by the picture of a bum and the desire to fuck (as a man) and be fucked (as a women). I don't think we have a word for this, but that we all posses this duel activation potential is a cool theory.

Viva seems unconvinced, so I present the following to the judging committee.

Let's say I fell in love with IFM because I like to watch women touch themselves (surprize!). I want to watch women not because I want to imagine fucking them, but because I think about being them. (Don't tell anyone, but if hypothetical me were able to tag videos on the site all her favorites would be tagged "lookslikeJane" or more aptly "Janethinkstheylooklikeher".)

Now the big question...

Can I (hypothetically of course) also be turned on imagining I'm a person with a penis being sexually pleasured?

At first thought, thinking about watching some guy touch himself isn't overly exciting. But I can think of a few more tactile experiences where I have had a Blissed like moment. Once was a few years ago when I fucked my gentleman friend with the aid of a strapless strapon. My hands--my whole body--where his would be. My hard cock in him. It was like being in two places at once. Turned on twice. Practically blind as I traveled between two bodies moving at the same pace.

Seems like a point for Blissed's argument...

The second experience was more recently. I lay on the bed stroking my bedmates hard (and, for the record, quite lovely) member. He was laying back. Except for my hand our bodies did not touch. As I stroked his perfect form I realized that I was slowly bringing myself to orgasm. One theory for this this is that I found a new erogenous zone in my hand. The second, is that I was able to be turned on by the thought of receiving pleasure from a women as man.

One more point for Blissed?

Any others out there with similar experiences? Different?

blissed · 30-08-11 01:59:28

I hadn't realised they weren't in any dictionary though their cousins are http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androphilia_and_gynephilia

I like this bit from the Urban dictionary

Urban Dictionary wrote:

Steph, Clare, Nick and Nnamdi are all gynosexuals. They luuurv the boobies.

You don't get that in an ordinary dictionary

I never thought that as part of my mix of fantasies developing a regular narcissistic sexual fantasy where I'm desired would lead after 18 months to homo erotic notions however fleeting or mild but I suppose it's almost common sense that it would really .

I haven't mentioned the most extreme thing which for me was the most interesting and though surprising didn't freak me out because it was a pleasurable thought. Which was about 2 weeks ago I looked at my own erect penis and from my subconscious came the fleeting notion of how nice it would be to have the shape of a penis in my mouth. A fleeting thought and I feel so far from actually wanting to have someones penis in my mouth. And thinking a little bit about why, I think intrinsic to that thought was an importance of who that penis belonged too. And I can't really think of anyone right now who I'd want it to belong too, plus I have a homophobic reflex which has acted like a lock on homoerotic thoughts which I think is more than cultural. It's an evolved homophobic reflex. that men are revolting sexually and are competition. in turn that emotionally informs the notion of ownership of a woman and jealousy. It's uncool and to my conscious mind unwanted. but like anything thats evolved it's still evolving and so plastic and can be reversed or cheated, after all our libido is cheated by our imagination, we're not actually having sex when we masturbate solo. The libido predates the human form by literally millions years so however it needs to change in order to procreate it will. So it's plastic and cheatable.

So a good way to try and unlock homo eroticism is if I met someone who likes slash fiction. She could read the slash fiction she likes best out loud while we're love making, inserting my name as one of the principle characters and see if her desire for me and and her desire to see homoerotic touching conflated and fooled my libido into thinking it was part of the procreative process and unlocked homo eroticism enough to allow procreation I have a feeling that after a while that would happen resulting in a 3some with a guy I really liked. Or it might not who knows Certainly being open to the idea of a 3some combats jealousy beautifully even if you never have one

Jane your second experience just touching your bedmates penis is interesting and sounds like more than a bit of interpretive imagination because the notions that spring into our mind when we're aroused are usually directly subconscious rather than conscious and considered. The desire to fuck your boyfriend with a strap on is from my anecdotal experience pretty common. About as common as the initial Hetro male fear of that happening But being able to acquiesce to that and find you enjoy it via prostate stimulation seems to put the power play of fucking in a more mutual place.

I don't think we can prove all this, because sex is an art not a science so until we can map the human brain and have an artificial intelligence interpret the findings (not us that would be impossible) I feel listening to how diverse peoples sexuality is, is as interesting as listening to how diverse any other part of their lives are and so proof becomes irrelevant. Like wanting to prove why someone wants to create a unique style of art or cooking who cares about proof it's just interesting and enjoyable and more about pleasurable anecdotal learning by sharing experiences, like the interviews here. Anyway I've written too much I think this thread is gonna probably come out as a book

jane_e wrote:

Any others out there with similar experiences? Different?

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Lustful · 25-09-11 10:24:53

I can understand why you liked that lady in the video! She has a very enticing body!

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