Currently listening to thread

Siobhan · 19-06-06 15:04:59

Li -- oh! Toni Childs! thanks for the reminder. I will look for that, having listened to "don't walk away" over the weekend.
Is the "woman's boat" in question the same one you and I might have ment as schoolegirls?
dauphin -- ha ha! very clever. as for tones, i would say i was being cheeky rather than combative -- but perhaps you're just taking the en guard / dauphin jest/jaust to its original (combat) conclusion?

Bishop of Bath & Wells · 19-06-06 19:36:01

Burlesque wrote:

So they've stopped producing it now, have they? It was a really good show, and the moment you mention was almost as heartbreaking as the one in "Scrubs".
Burlesque.

Which scene was it used in? I love the West Wing, but I'm struggling to think where this song was featured?

Bish

Burlesque · 19-06-06 19:52:18

As I recall it, there was a robbery in a store, and one of the more personable Secret Service men haplessly went in there and got shot. As he lay dying and people were bitching and moaning about this fact (pardon me for lack of reverence), they played the song on the soundtrack.

Burlesque.

Bishop of Bath & Wells · 19-06-06 19:58:19

Talking of sad songs, does anybody remember an animated kids movie from the early '80's called Watership Down? The main song featured on it, "Bright Eyes" by Art Garfunkel, still makes me want to blub to this day. I understand the lyrics are about being at his father's side when he passed away.

The film itself is very sad as well, but is well worth checking out. It's often held up as a good example of how to gently introduce to young children the notion of death.

I'm off for a little cry now, in fact!

Bish

Burlesque · 19-06-06 20:12:04

The film is good, the novel is exceptional and the song is beyond words! I can't believe I haven't mentioned Simon & Garfunkel on this thread. Well, now I have. "Bridge Over Troubled Water" is another one that gets me every time. Too bad Garfunkel's solo career didn't take off the way Simon's did. I didn't know the story about his father. Interesting, adds dimension to the song.

You've been rather active the last few days, Bish. Back to stay?

Burlesque.

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Bishop of Bath & Wells · 19-06-06 20:25:07

Burlesque wrote:

The film is good, the novel is exceptional and the song is beyond words!

I wasn't aware the film was based on a novel, one to add to the list for sure.

Burlesque wrote:

You've been rather active the last few days, Bish. Back to stay?

I go through spells of active/inactive, I guess I'm just getting lazy in my old age!

Bish

Burlesque · 19-06-06 20:30:08

If you like the film, you really must read the novel! It's one of the best books I've ever read, regardless of genre. It's written by Richard Adams and should still be available - it's sort of a classic, or at least one of those "cult" books.

Spells of active/inactive? Well, better than spells of inactive/comatose, which is the way I am in many areas of my life.

Burlesque.

Elfman · 20-06-06 01:22:04

Burlesque wrote:

The film is good, the novel is exceptional and the song is beyond words! I can't believe I haven't mentioned Simon & Garfunkel on this thread. Well, now I have. "Bridge Over Troubled Water" is another one that gets me every time. Too bad Garfunkel's solo career didn't take off the way Simon's did.
Burlesque.

I was a huge Simon and Garfunkel fan in the sixties and early seventies and I still think "Bridge over troubled Water" is one of the great modern classics. Art Garfunkel has a wonderful voice and yes "Bright Eyes" always makes me want to cry too. If we are talking about sad songs though how about Eric Clapton's "Tears in Heaven". They don't come much sadder than that.

Elfman

Burlesque · 20-06-06 01:26:25

"Tears in Heaven" is great, but my big sad song has always been, is and probably always will be Tom Waits' "Ruby's Arms". Not only does it put me in that wistful, melancholy mood, it has also given me the opportunity to mention Waits yet again in this forum.

Burlesque.

Siobhan · 20-06-06 02:48:18

I"ll join you in mentioning T Waits -- while it's not sad, it's poignant, wistful: Broken Bicycle. Love it. Maura O'Connell has done the best job of singing it, I think.

Burlesque · 20-06-06 02:54:44

Hrmf.

Plus side: OK, so she likes Waits. Has the good taste to find "Broken Bicycles" poignant and wistful and good and that sort of thing.

Minus side: She prefers his music sung by someone else, and seems to feel likewise about Leonard Cohen.

Just
Burlesque
having a laugh.

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stolengirlfriend · 20-06-06 03:47:34

Songs that have the ability to make me cry (in no particular order):

The Smiths - "Asleep"
The Smiths - "Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want"
Trashcan Sinatras - "Drunken Chorus"
Badly Drawn Boy - "A Minor Incident"
Iron and Wine - "Bird Stealing Bread"
Iron and Wine - "The Trapeze Swinger"
Jackson Browne - "Late For The Sky"
Mojave 3 - "Beneath the Bars"
Smog - "To Be Of Use"
Bruce Springsteen - "Used Cars"
Velvet Teen - "Forlorn"
Elliott Smith - "I Better Be Quiet Now"
The Verve - "On Your Own"
Red House Painters - "Katy Song"
Wheat - "Don't I Hold You"
Rosie Thomas - "Bicycle Tricycle"

and... Counting Crows - "Raining In Baltimore".

Jesus.

Elfman · 20-06-06 16:49:38

Talking of sad songs Kate Rusby's "My young man" always brings a lump to my throat.

Bishop of Bath & Wells · 20-06-06 20:50:26

stolengirlfriend wrote:

The Smiths - "Please, Please, Please Let Me Get What I Want"

Yes, that is such a beautiful song! Amazing to think that it was only a b-side to one of their early singles.

Bish

stolengirlfriend · 21-06-06 00:00:41

^^^^ And very cleverly used in the soundtrack to "Pretty In Pink".

nihpuad · 21-06-06 06:51:15

Burlesque wrote:

As I recall [the West Wing that featured Hallelujah], there was a robbery in a store, and one of the more personable Secret Service men haplessly went in there and got shot. As he lay dying and people were bitching and moaning about this fact (pardon me for lack of reverence), they played the song on the soundtrack.

To put a finer point on it, the Secret Service agent in question (Simon Donovan, played by Mark Harmon) was a special detail officer for CJ Cregg, assigned after she'd received death threats. There had been obvious romantic chemistry between them, but they'd resisted any involvement while he was assigned to protecting her. By the time of this scene, while the President and his senior staff attend a theater event, Simon has just learned that CJ's stalker has been captured, and his special assignment is concluded... so he and CJ are on the cusp of starting a dating relationship. He walks into a convenience store across the street to buy CJ flowers and stumbles on a robbery in progress. Ever a man of duty, he draws on the robber at the cash register, but is shot down by the guy's partner.

In the meantime, President Bartlet is across the street in the theater, wrestling with the morality of ordering a covert assassination and also coming face-to-face with his opponent in the upcoming election. Somehow Hallellujah just works perfectly to tie these stories, which are intercut over the music, together. A brilliant piece of filmmaking (even if it is "only" TV).

There's a blurb about the use of the song at the Bartlet for America WW fan site.

As for the end of the show, yes, the just-concluded Season 7 was the finale. I gather it hasn't yet aired everywhere in Europe, so I won't give any spoilers, but I found it a satisfying conclusion to the overall story arc.

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Burlesque · 22-06-06 15:58:36

About R.E.M. (Sort of). One day at work a couple of years back I received a phone call where someone told me that a person who used to be close to me had just died in a car accident. I reacted in the most peculiar way. I was sad but couldn't really access my emotions, and I stayed at work, finishing the day; I must have been in a state of shock. Furthermore, I had a previous arrangement with a couple of friends to meet at a pub, so I went there, told them what had happened, and said I was alright. We sat there talking, drinking and listening to the band the way we usually do, and then the band started playing this superb cover version of "Everybody Hurts", and that made it all come back to me. I burst into tears like I don't think I ever have before, and sat there crying uncontrollably. Embarrassing, yes, but quite clearly exactly what I needed right then. Looking back on it, I'm glad they played that song.

Burlesque.

Siobhan · 22-06-06 16:34:25

Wow.
yeah.
the power of music.

Liandra wrote:

Can't find any Sam beame...

Hi Lianda --

I'm in the wilderness and on a dial-up connection at the moment so it's difficult to load pages; however, I'm certain I was soooo committed to sharing the brilliance of sam beam/iron and wine with all of you smart, thoughtful, lovely, sensitive people that I stuck a link to the html page of "Our endless Numbered Days," the cd I can guarantee you'll fall in love with.

If you scroll up to an earlier post, the url will be there.

happy hunting, and peace --
s

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Burlesque · 22-06-06 17:23:59

Watching your brother die must have been so much worse, and I don't think many people could handle such a thing in the "usual" way. It's just too much for the mind to take, so it must be very common to just shut down for a while. It is strange how music can unlock things inside like that.

Burlesque.

Elfman · 22-06-06 18:00:36

I lost my last partner to breast cancer 12 years ago. The song that always made her cry was "Everytime we say goodbye" by Annie Lennox. We played it at her funeral. If ever I hear it I sob like a baby but afterwards I feel better. I feel like she is still with me (as I beleive she is). The feelings music invokes can be very cathartic.

Elfman.

Burlesque · 22-06-06 18:18:39

I had no idea, Elfman. To lose someone as close as a partner or a brother is something I haven't experienced, and try as I might, I can't imagine what it must be like. I can only, yet again, express how impressed I am by you, Elfman and Liandra, for having come through those - and other - experiences and appearing on the other side as such lovely people. I sincerely doubt that I could do that, but should it ever happen to me, I shall bear the two of you in mind for inspiration.

Burlesque.

Elfman · 22-06-06 18:44:44

Liandra wrote:

Absolutely it's cathartic Elfman, I remember at his funeral the church was just full of adolescents, just seeing hundreds of kids from school turn up and this stunned shattered look on all their faces, and in this huge very old english church they played this hardcore tune that James and I loved as the coffin was carried out. For some people it was inappropriate but for me, and all his friends, it was a huge moment when we said goodbye to the boy we knew. You could feel the connection between those that got it. Everyone of us broke down. It was an insanely intense moment that none of the eulogies could really create.
I'm not sure if I really believe my brother is still with me. I know I think of him still most everyday so it does feel that way. I can't explain what I would give to know for sure that I would ever see him again. You know I feel pretty close to you right now, but I feel a bit awkward saying that.

I feel the same way Liandra. Don't feel awkward. I don't.

Siobhan · 22-06-06 18:54:09

Burl, Elf, Li, et al -- I'm very moved that you guys are having this conversation. When Burlesque first wrote of the way specific music helped bridge the gap between him and his grief, so that he could feel, I wanted to write all about my own life (eg: Burl when you mentioned Brige Over Troubled Water I couldn't respond because it still makes me cry until I heave) but knew i couldn't do it without getting off the thread. I'm so so glad y'all are talking about this, in part because real feelings freely shared are what creates intimacy, and in part because it speaks so strongly about the power of music.

If we believe that life is a joyous gift, then those of us who are left are the lucky ones, I know. But sometimes it doesn't feel that way. . . .

hugs to you all.

Bishop of Bath & Wells · 22-06-06 19:02:59

"Everybody Hurts" is a beautiful song, but "Try Not To Breathe" from the same album is the one that always brings a lump to my throat. Such a gorgeous piece of music as well.

"In My Life" by The Beatles is another, in fact I'm sure I read somewhere it is now the song played most often at funerals. The tragic fate that awaited its author, John Lennon, makes it even more poignant.

Bish

blissed · 23-06-06 02:58:27

Somewhere by aretha Franklin always sets me off, that and a million other tunes. They just tap straight into your emotions and bang, you've lost control.

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