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viva

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incest, NC, and the language of pornography

Samara_l's sexy upcoming homemade has me thinking... what the hell is the deal with all the "step" siblings and parents and children? It's like there's this tidepool of fantasy, and all the porn tubes are the "clean" mainstream version, where we have to pretend we only fantasise about biologically unrelated people fucking each other. But like, in this way are we saying adopted kids aren't real family? or like.. is this about some weird law - like incest isn't legal, but it's okay cause they're step siblings? Maybe it is about legality, cause I just tried searching rape and there's no returns for that either, but "force" returns heaps of super intense videos.

Is this... language smokescreen... useful somehow? Is this like EIGHTEEN PLUS like.. somehow this magic number makes you different from the "disgusting" people who're hot for teen girls? doesn't this just promote shame and confusion? in our minds, when we feel turned on by ageplay ideas/young girls or guys (and I definitely do), we don't hastily erect a "but its ok 18+" marquee for our thoughts. That doesn't mean there's something wrong with us, but it is unspeakable and impossible to speak out loud about what's real in our thoughts.

In other communities, like literotica or ageplay kink communities, no one pretends their kinks aren't their kinks. On literotica incest is never between step-folks. And in kink communities, age and non-consensual play is fairly normal and okay and no one is pretending that everything is 18+, or some kind of forced sex that's not rape, in the fantasy realm. I think these realms embrace the safe and consensual exploration of taboo, erotic realms of darkness, and trust/create structured, trusting spaces wherein we assume that we are people who are capable of discussing these things out loud without hurting people or breaking laws.

Sometimes I feel that the impossibility for most people to just express - to just say out loud - their deepest, darkest fantasies or erotic ideas, just adds charge to them, throughout society, and creates more problems than it solves.

Also I think it's fucking crazy that we can show super skinny super young looking porn actresses wearing childish, evocative outfits and sucking their thumbs while getting fucked, and that's fine as long as we write EIGHTEEN PLUS or STEP-DAUGHTER above it. I just think, we're doing some very twisty things here.

What do you guys think? Are these smokescreens ridiculous? Or can mainstream porn users not handle clearer language?

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richard

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Re: incest, NC, and the language of pornography

I think you'll find it's a US law.

In any case it's a societal taboo to want to fuck someone from your own gene pool whereas a 'step' is fair game in that sense.  One can imagine you might not be close to the 'step' and therefore it's no different from your friend or neighbour.  Imagine the Brady Bunch scenario - Greg and Marsha, who are 16 or 17 when the families unite, happen to be compatible; frisson ensues, where does it stop?  Is that different to a scenario where two families share a living space, say in a hippy community or some other culture?  Or are close neighbours?  It's all very different from where the 'steps' grew up together as brother and sister from a young age.

viva

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Re: incest, NC, and the language of pornography

But I think the societal taboo, and in fact, the close familiarity, is what makes it hot. Like it's first level hot if it's Greg and Marsha, cause they just met, and then gets more intriguing the longer the two people have lived as family members.

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Re: incest, NC, and the language of pornography

I think you'll find it's a US law.

Don't the credit card companies have very specific rules about what you can say and do if you want to collect money for your pr0n?  That was the way some articles 5 or 10 years ago explained it: they said that the credit companies all have very specific and very similar rules.

There have also been times where pr0n was "weight-lifting magazines," "healthful nudist life," or "art" ("she's being martyred, officer, honestly!  believe me, she is dying a little death right now.")

I don't know tube sites or these particular kinks, but a lot of societies right now have trouble with the fact that people between puberty and 18 often do sexy things, and that some older people are attracted to people in that age range.  It leads to things like teenaged couples being charged with child porn for sending nudes to each other.  But maybe its better than a little while ago when older men preyed on children and the surrounding society did its best to cover it up?

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privignus

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Re: incest, NC, and the language of pornography

Sometimes I feel that the impossibility for most people to just express - to just say out loud - their deepest, darkest fantasies or erotic ideas, just adds charge to them, throughout society, and creates more problems than it solves.

I agree too viva.  I would not type anything too private into a browser or app, but having friends you can talk to (and being brave enough to talk honestly to them) is very important.

A lot of people right now are trying to make more and more things unsayable but that does not stop people thinking and feeling them.

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viva

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Re: incest, NC, and the language of pornography

I don't know tube sites or these particular kinks, but a lot of societies right now have trouble with the fact that people between puberty and 18 often do sexy things, and that some older people are attracted to people in that age range.  It leads to things like teenaged couples being charged with child porn for sending nudes to each other.  But maybe its better than a little while ago when older men preyed on children and the surrounding society did its best to cover it up?

Yeah, I mean anything would be better than a culture of permissiveness around people causing other people sexual trauma, so in that sense of course I'm glad to live in a world where it's harder talk shit about girls in the office or pressure them sexually (and later blame them for it) without professional and social consequences.

But I'm not sure one thing is necessarily connected to the other. I mean, maybe it is. I mean, you definitely can't write a song like this or this or this or well about a million others - have you ever really took a good look at the lyrics of "My Sharona"?

And maybe that's good.. I don't know. It's complicated (for me at least). But these feelings aren't going anywhere, really, they're just not being expressed. And when you can't even be honest in the context of your pornographic life, or well, when you can be extremely graphically representative but not use the correct words to say what you're really saying.. I don't know, I feel like there's a problem there. A repression problem, which leads to more darkness, better hidden. Not less.