It's a cold and it's a broken Hallelujah

aven frey · 11-11-16 07:03:53

Leonard Cohen died. My favourite of all time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o6zMPLcXZ8

hector58 · 11-11-16 08:36:16

Me too . This morning i feel so sad." So long Marianne"

ThatIndividual · 11-11-16 13:46:08

He was more than a little before my time. I feel pretty failed to not know him. But I feel like I recognize his name despite being unable to think of a tune off the top of my head. I still sense a great loss - for myself and for all of us.

Monotreme · 11-11-16 14:43:12

I am listening to everything I have of his right now. First up was "Everybody Knows" which for those of us living in the USA is strikingly appropriate and really damn sad right now.

In August, his longtime lover and muse Marianne Ihlen died. He wrote to her then:

"well Marianne it’s come to this time when we are really so old and our bodies are falling apart and I think I will follow you very soon. Know that I am so close behind you that if you stretch out your hand, I think you can reach mine.

“And you know that I’ve always loved you for your beauty and your wisdom, but I don’t need to say anything more about that because you know all about that. But now, I just want to wish you a very good journey. Goodbye old friend. Endless love, see you down the road.”

Monotreme · 12-11-16 00:25:33

ThatIndividual wrote:

He was more than a little before my time. I feel pretty failed to not know him. But I feel like I recognize his name despite being unable to think of a tune off the top of my head. I still sense a great loss - for myself and for all of us.

Here's a good place to start, with a Hallelujah, which has been covered well by a number of other people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ttEMYvpoR-k

Also, I love "Anthem", "So Long Marianne", "Suzanne", and "Democracy". That's a good place to start. There are YouTube videos for each.

viva · 12-11-16 08:29:45

I loved him. His words were my inspiration... I listened to Suzanne as a young teen and wore white peasant blouses and I read his dirty, fascinating books and I fell in love with the poetry of religion because of Leonard Cohen. he made spirituality so good and so sexual for me. and I never stopped thinking about sleepy golden storms... or the feeling of listening to him sing about her giving him head on the unmade bed... and how for him she would make an exception.

i listened to his newest album recently with a feeling of peace and elderly acceptence. he never let go of the gritty, graspable darkness. he painted it with light and let the light go dim. he fought and did not fight. I loved him. it was about death.

a few months ago when maryanne, the woman from the song died. and I wrote a blurb in her honour, but I don't know if anyone noticed.

I loved him so much.

I transcribed one of my favourite passes from Beautiful Losers, maybe you guys will enjoy... I've pasted it below.

also Aven... your silly dance boy... thousand heart emojis. I love you both and miss you so much! missing my community so much in this murky darkness of this week.

anyway, leonard....

...

Her belly button was a tiny swirl, almost hidden. If all the breeze it took to ruffle a tea rose suddently became flesh it would be like her belly button. On different occasions she covered it with oil, semen, thirty-five dollars’ worth of perfume, a burr, rice, urine, the parings of a man’s fingernails, another man’s tears, spit, a thimbleful of rain water. I’ve got to recall the occasions.

OIL: Countless times. She kept a bottle of olive oil beside the bed. I always thought the flies would come.

SEMEN: F’s too? I couldn’t bear that. She made me deposit it there myself. She wanted to see me masturbate for the last time. How could I tell her that it was the most intense climax of my life.

RICE: Raw rice. She kept one grain in there for a week, claiming that she could cook it.

URINE: don’t be ashamed, she said.

FINGERNAILS: She said that Orthodox Jews buried their fingernail parings. I’m uneasy as I remember this. It’s just the kind of observation that F. would make. Did she get the idea from him?

MAN'S TEARS: a curious incident. We were sunbathing on the beach at Old Orchard, Maine. A complete stranger in a blue bathing suit threw himself on her stomach, weeping. I grabbed his hair to pull him away. She struck my hand sharply. I looked around; nobody had noticed so I felt a little better about it. I time the man: he cried for five minutes. There were thousands stretched on the beach. Why did he have to pick us? I smiled stupidly at the people passing as if this loony were my bereaved brother-in-law. Nobody seemed to notice. He had one one of those cheap wool bathing suits that do nothing for the balls. He cried quietly, Edith’s right hand on the nape of his neck. This isn’t happening, I tried to think, Edith’s not a sandy whore. Abruptly and clumsily, he rose on one knee, stood up, ran away. Edith looked after him for a while, then turned to comfort me. He was an A – she whispered. Impossible! I shouted furiously. I’ve documented every living A - ! You’re lying, Edith! You loved him slobbering on your navel. Admit it! Perhaps you’re right, she said, perhaps he wasn’t an A -. That was a chance I couldn’t take. I spent the rest of the day patrolling miles of beach, but he’d gone somewhere with his snotty nose.

SPIT: I don’t know why. In fact I can’t remember when exactly. Have I imagined this one?

RAINWATER: she got the idea it was raining at two in the morning. We couldn’t tell because of the window situation. I took a thimble and went upstairs. She appreciated the favor.

There is no doubt she believed her belly button to be a sensory orgasm, better than that, a purse which gaurenteed possession in her personal voodoo system. Many times she held me hard and soft against her there, telling stories through the night. Why was I never quite comfortable? Why did I listen to the fan and the elevator?

richard · 13-11-16 02:25:52

aven frey wrote:

I blame Leonard Cohen for all my failed relationships. He sold my young self on the sham that darkness in men is the place of perfect poetry. And perhaps love, flawed love.

I blame Germaine Greer. She sold me on the sham that women were reasonable beings who said what they thought and thought what they said, just wanted a reasonable deal - equality and all that. Who knew they were inconsistent, irrational, and want a new world order where it's shameful and irredeemable to be a man (unless you were born a woman).

aven frey · 14-11-16 00:04:56

richard wrote:

aven frey wrote:
I blame Leonard Cohen for all my failed relationships. He sold my young self on the sham that darkness in men is the place of perfect poetry. And perhaps love, flawed love.
I blame Germaine Greer. She sold me on the sham that women were reasonable beings who said what they thought and thought what they said, just wanted a reasonable deal - equality and all that. Who knew they were inconsistent, irrational, and want a new world order where it's shameful and irredeemable to be a man (unless you were born a woman).

lol.

You've never read anything a feminist ever wrote. So I'll help you out with some short easy to understand quotes from the feminist you know off ...

"All societies on the verge of death are masculine. A society can survive with only one man; no society will survive a shortage of women." Germaine Greer

"The sight of women talking together has always made men uneasy; nowadays it means rank subversion." Germaine Greer

"Perhaps women have always been in closer contact with reality than men: it would seem to be the just recompense for being deprived of idealism." Germaine Greer

"Freud is the father of psychoanalysis. It had no mother." Germaine Greer

"Rescuing women from their burden of unwarranted guilt is going to require 'educational practices and socializing agents' even more effective than the ones that have been relentlessly loading female humans with responsibility for other people's behavior from their earliest childhood." Germaine Greer

I'm sorry everyone else!

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aven frey · 14-11-16 00:25:33

I'm also sorry I deleted my post. I don't know why I let Richard make it about him.

It went like this

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I blame Leonard Cohen for all my failed relationships. He sold my young self on the sham that darkness in men is the place of perfect poetry. And perhaps love, flawed love.

But how could I resist ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytdjYjM-cLg

I'm sitting here on a Saturday morning with big speakers and wet eyes. My silly boyfriend comes in and does a silly dance as the song man sings 'Dance me to the end of love'. He's so silly, so lovey. A thousand heart emojis.

..........................

I miss you too Viva. I wish I could swing round and see your face right now. xxx

richard · 14-11-16 00:27:31

aven frey wrote:

lol.
You've never read anything a feminist ever wrote.

Well that's a pretty wild claim, I'd like you to substantiate it. What, you can't? Well there goes all of your arguments.

*plonk*

aven frey · 14-11-16 00:29:34

richard wrote:

aven frey wrote:
lol.
You've never read anything a feminist ever wrote.
Well that's a pretty wild claim, I'd like you to substantiate it. What, you can't? Well there goes all of your arguments.
*plonk*

Why you so confused then?

richard · 14-11-16 00:34:38

Rational thinking can appear confusing to those who don't use it. Like maths, or spelling.

aven frey · 14-11-16 00:44:20

"Who knew they were inconsistent, irrational, and want a new world order where it's shameful and irredeemable to be a man (unless you were born a woman)."

Clearly rational. Clearly an unconfused understanding of women and feminism.

richard · 14-11-16 01:44:02

aven frey wrote:

"Who knew they were inconsistent, irrational, and want a new world order where it's shameful and irredeemable to be a man (unless you were born a woman)."
Clearly rational. Clearly an unconfused understanding of women and feminism.

Not all feminism.

ThatIndividual · 14-11-16 04:47:43

I blame Disney and my bullies in high school. Both gave me unrealistic expectations. (And in the case of the bullies, an inferiority complex I'm still fighting, bastards).

Anyway, I still think women are great or at least equallly capable of greatness. They're still human though and can be flawed. No one is exempt and everyone finds a way to be uniquely bad when they want to be. Both sexes are important. Women, though, were abused, manipulated, and dehumanized generally through a number of cultures and on into today.

In a fight I'd choose Aven since she makes the pretty pictures. It doesn't help his case that Richard can be a real 'dick' at times too

aven frey · 14-11-16 06:56:56

richard wrote:

aven frey wrote:
"Who knew they were inconsistent, irrational, and want a new world order where it's shameful and irredeemable to be a man (unless you were born a woman)."
Clearly rational. Clearly an unconfused understanding of women and feminism.
Not all feminism.

this feminism?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg3umXU_qWc

this one?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhjsRjC6B8U

http://everydaysexism.com/

this one?

http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/news-an … rpm1g.html

this one?

https://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/th … slighting/

this one? Because "if we are accustomed to power we need to learn to listen as much as we talk."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkzOFvfWRn4

this is some of my feminism, presented in short and accessible form because if you're going to skewer my feminism on a public forum you should make some effort to understand it first.

Please, feel free to share with me some of your feminism Richard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mEQldSi-heE

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richard · 14-11-16 07:06:34

You see there is where you shoot yourself in the foot, by misquoting. I believe in rape culture, who couldn't, it exists. Why don't you leave this thread to honor a great ladies man and syphon your remaining angst into an email so you can get the last word, as you always do.

aven frey · 14-11-16 07:12:36

ThatIndividual wrote:

I blame Disney and my bullies in high school. Both gave me unrealistic expectations. (And in the case of the bullies, an inferiority complex I'm still fighting, bastards).
Anyway, I still think women are great or at least equallly capable of greatness. They're still human though and can be flawed. No one is exempt and everyone finds a way to be uniquely bad when they want to be. Both sexes are important. Women, though, were abused, manipulated, and dehumanized generally through a number of cultures and on into today.
In a fight I'd choose Aven since she makes the pretty pictures. It doesn't help his case that Richard can be a real 'dick' at times too

I actually don't really blame Leonard Cohen for anything, it was intended as a cute way to describe the way his words haunted my notions of masculinity and romance and love. Of course, I learnt, as I got older that the darkness and the poetry was all mine.

I'm sorry that you were bullied and that they made you feel inferior. I hope that you get to fight that shit off. Also, life is better than Disney, Disney is pretty boring actually!

aven frey · 14-11-16 07:24:39

richard wrote:

You see there is where you shoot yourself in the foot, by misquoting. I believe in rape culture, who couldn't, it exists. Why don't you leave this thread to honor a great ladies man and syphon your remaining angst into an email so you can get the last word, as you always do.

I have emails that say otherwise! Perhaps you have changed your mind in the last month, if so grand! I'll retract that so that you can engage with the post and make an effort to present a real argument.

viva · 14-11-16 10:09:33

OH MY GOD this forum needs gifs stat

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