New Theory about L'Origine du Monde

privignus · 25-09-18 20:13:12

Someone thinks it was Constance Queniaux the ballerina not Joanna Hiffernan the painter's GF. All I know is that the model and the painter knew and did not chose to share

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesig … g-revealed

viva · 26-09-18 00:45:07

oh my gosh thank you for sharing. it's all so intriguing... I would have loved so much to be in one of those worlds, 1930's Parisian and American and all littered with tortured artists and dancers and writers. I'm sure there would have been awful injustices and terrible drama but ... to be the lover of a man who could produce this painting! to be seen like that and loved like that, even for a moment. when I was younger I devoured stories of Anais Nin and Frida Kahlo and Paloma Picasso and Simone de Beauvoir and Hannah Arent and Jane Birkin, all these incredible women, their art and talent and their super juicy dramas. I love it. I still dream of finding my niche of artists and poets, and living that delerious boheme lifestyle which certainly sounds more glamourous in writing and painting than it actually feels in real life (the hangovers! the heartbreak!)

I've always loved this painting - who hasn't? but for me, I just love to see this angle because I look more like her than I do modern mainstream porn performers seen from this angle. I used to think my bum looks like this and it's squishy and undesireable and yuck, and I should lift my hips when someone is looking at me from this angle so my bum will look better. then I really looked at this painting a lot and I felt so turned on and warm and I started to understand sexiness, beauty, those raw feelings, in an entirely new way. and I realised I look like this, I have this beauty. I love to see that if it was this dancer, she was 34 when this was painted...

privignus · 03-10-18 22:24:24

viva, I am glad that the article made you happy! I think there are some people who know a lot about starving artists in Paris and Vienna before the war, but I kind of like having some secrets. Today sometimes you find yourself in the middle of a messy fight knowing more than you want to know but not enough to really understand what is going on.

Media have a lot of messages about how there is just one kind of body or kind of person which is sexy, don't they! But most people find someone, and most people have something about their body which they don't like. Its so frustrating that when you feel sexy, you get a kind of energy that attracts other people and makes it easier to believe you are sexy, and when you don't you sometimes push them away and have more reason to mope.

viva · 04-10-18 08:40:51

I think for me the key is understanding that there's so much more to attraction than the visual. We say men are visual, but I think everything changes the way I look - my cycle, what I'm eating, how I'm dressed, how I walk, my hormones, how I'm feeling... all of those things change my actual shape! so maybe people look at the shapes and textures of bodies... but since those are so interconnected with movement, experience, outlook and emotion, it's almost too reductive to say attraction is about how you look.

privignus · 04-10-18 20:23:27

viva wrote:

I think for me the key is understanding that there's so much more to attraction than the visual. We say men are visual, but I think everything changes the way I look - my cycle, what I'm eating, how I'm dressed, how I walk, my hormones, how I'm feeling... all of those things change my actual shape! so maybe people look at the shapes and textures of bodies... but since those are so interconnected with movement, experience, outlook and emotion, it's almost too reductive to say attraction is about how you look.

I agree! And guys encounter men pushing weird theories about evolutionary psychology who are really keen to tell them that men do better in online dating as they are older and higher-income, or explain why some awful men keep finding female partners.

Some of what they are saying might be true on average, but I am reliably told that male students and starving musicians sometimes get laid even though they are young and poor Different people are attracted to different things, and those things change over time!

I find it so interesting hearing about bohemian kinds of communities, like the queer Southern California people or these artists in the belle epoque, because their love lives are so different from anything I know in person, but they have some familiar struggles.

privignus · 05-10-18 22:39:35

And care of Dr. Justin Lehmiller, here is a BBC article on how what people find attractive can change quickly! http://www.bbc.com/future/story/2018091 … -of-beauty

Some of these psychology studies can be fun to read about, even though usually they are just polling people and telling stories about the results.

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